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Old 04-23-2013, 12:29 AM   #15
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A regular cab pickup is sort of like a convertible . . on it's way out.

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Yeah, but convertibles and station wagons are making a comeback.

I love my '78 chevy regular cab long box.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:39 AM   #16
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LNG is coming and will soon, probably sooner than later supplement the gas fueled trucks. There is a brand new station going in on I 80 in PA, Liquefied Natural Gas fueling station. When I told and asked our fleet director about it (we have 80 tractors and 100 trailers in our companies fleet) I was told that the industry is preparing for Natural Gas Diesel as the future of long haul trucking. Not sure if it's true, but thought I'd pass it along for general interest as if it's going to long haul trucking pick- ups can't be far behind.
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LNG and CNG are two completely different things. GM has factory LNG in van cutaways and factory CNG in cargo vans and a bi-fuel (gasoline and CNG) pickup trucks now.

The trucking industry is indeed slowly converting to diesel/CNG....BUT, at a minimum, there needs to be interstate corridor of fuelling stations. This is VERY $$$$$$$. A fast fill station for small vehicles starts at about 1 million per location. For semis to be able to fast fill , one after another, I bet it would be at least 5 million per station.

It'll be a slow ramp up without substantial private investment (not much appetite right now) or serious Gov't subsidies or incentives (not much appetite right now either....at least on an impactful scale.)
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:25 AM   #18
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The change to LNG is coming for big trucks and the stations are being built at the larger truck stop chains. It'll take years, but the change is here and growing.

CNG is another animal. It'll come first for people who don't travel by personal vehicle out of cities very much, but this will be slower. Higher gas prices will push demand.

There will be a point when demand for natural gas exceeds supply and/or pushes prices up—sort of like gasoline right now. Then another switch to electric will gain momentum.

The changes will take decades. We may see side by side CNG, LNG, diesel, gas and fast charge electric. This is going to cost an enormous amount of money unless some major technological change causes every prediction to be wrong. The internet has changed a lot very fast, but that has been going on for more than 20 years and we still don't understand all the implications and results. No one predicted the results of the internet. Maybe we'll see a flywheel that can store enough energy to drive 1,000 miles and be recharged in minutes. Maybe some kid getting a PhD at 15 will invent it and he's defending his dissertation next week.

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Maybe some kid getting a PhD at 15 will invent it and he's defending his dissertation next week.

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The change to LNG is coming for big trucks and the stations are being built at the larger truck stop chains. It'll take years, but the change is here and growing.

CNG is another animal. It'll come first for people who don't travel by personal vehicle out of cities very much, but this will be slower. Higher gas prices will push demand.

There will be a point when demand for natural gas exceeds supply and/or pushes prices up—sort of like gasoline right now. Then another switch to electric will gain momentum.

The changes will take decades. We may see side by side CNG, LNG, diesel, gas and fast charge electric. This is going to cost an enormous amount of money unless some major technological change causes every prediction to be wrong. The internet has changed a lot very fast, but that has been going on for more than 20 years and we still don't understand all the implications and results. No one predicted the results of the internet. Maybe we'll see a flywheel that can store enough energy to drive 1,000 miles and be recharged in minutes. Maybe some kid getting a PhD at 15 will invent it and he's defending his dissertation next week.

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Ah, the flywheel thing. I remember reading about how flywheel energy storage was going to revolutionize transportation in Popular Mechanics and Popular Science in the late 70s and perhaps into the early 80s. I think they became a bit leery of some of the more exciting failure modes of flywheels with sufficient energy stored to power a vehicle. "Uncontrolled disintegration" is a nice euphemism for "flywheel shrapnel shredding the vehicle from the inside out." And we thought hybrid batteries posed a threat post-collision!
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Ah, the flywheel thing. I remember reading about how flywheel energy storage was going to revolutionize transportation in Popular Mechanics and Popular Science in the late 70s and perhaps into the early 80s. I think they became a bit leery of some of the more exciting failure modes of flywheels with sufficient energy stored to power a vehicle. "Uncontrolled disintegration" is a nice euphemism for "flywheel shrapnel shredding the vehicle from the inside out." And we thought hybrid batteries posed a threat post-collision!
There are some things to work out, but that 15 year old has got an idea….

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Hmmmm, I sit on the Chicago Area Clean Cities Coalition board, and , at least around here the big trucks are converting to CNG. Most prominently the garbage haulers and one LARGE cement company. I haven't heard of anyone around here looking to LPG for diesel conversions. Not saying it isn't possible or happening somewhere, but not here that I am aware of.
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