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Old 10-25-2011, 11:07 PM   #71
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A 3.55 is very marginal even with a 6-speed tranny. ...The most important thing to look for is the proper rear end ratio. Higher the number, like 3.73,4.10 or 4.30 is what you are looking for.

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pappy19, using the Fords as an example, the 6 speed with a 3.55 diff has a better gear ratio than the old 4 speed & 5 speed automatics with a 4.30 differential. And the six speeds have more options to find a gear that "is just right" for the load weight, road grade, and travel speed desired by the driver.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:48 AM   #72
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:58 AM   #73
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pappy19, using the Fords as an example, the 6 speed with a 3.55 diff has a better gear ratio than the old 4 speed & 5 speed automatics with a 4.30 differential. And the six speeds have more options to find a gear that "is just right" for the load weight, road grade, and travel speed desired by the driver.
Good info, I was unaware there was so much difference in the 6 speed transmission ratios vs the older transmissions.

And about suburbans, it has always been a wonder to me why Ford's Excursion didn't make it. It seemed perfect competition for the Surburban.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:43 AM   #75
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And about suburbans, it has always been a wonder to me why Ford's Excursion didn't make it. It seemed perfect competition for the Surburban.
I think they did better with the Expedition XL - and probably should have done that earlier rather than going to the Excursion.

The Expedition XL is more on-par with the 1/2-ton Suburban, with similar levels of refinement and drivability. It also is likely cheaper to produce than the Excursion, just being a stretched-version of an existing body rather than being a distinct model.

Excursions sold well at the beginning; back in the day I had a V10 E350 order delayed because all of those engines were going into Excursions. But the big jump in gas prices that happened soon afterward didn't help sales.

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Old 10-26-2011, 08:53 AM   #76
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I was hoping when Jeep put the Mercedes 3.0 TDI in the Cherokee and Commander a few years back, this would make GM become competitive with a mid-large size diesel SUV. But that fizzled out and try finding a used one. They don't exist because that was another great idea that worked for the consumer, not the car companies.
But there isn't really much proof that it worked for the consumer. Not many people bought them. Sure, there are a few that really wanted them, and they seem to hold on to them - hence the rarity on the used market.

The Commander was a diesel in Europe, but they only offered the GC (and the Liberty) here as diesel. The take rate was about 10% for the GC: whether that was enough to warrant offering the option is a glass-half-empty/glass-half-full sort of question. Chrysler didn't think that was enough to warrant continuing with the model. It's a pretty big price jump to add the diesel, and the previous-gen GC didn't really have the "niceness" to compete in that price bracket.

That said, recent announcements from Chrysler's CEO state that a diesel GC is coming to the states for 2013. The redesign made this GC much more competitive with the competition.

Personally, I want a new diesel GC or Durango. And I know there are plenty of folks on trailer forums that say they want them too. But I don't deny that we're a relatively small subset of buyers. When it finally comes time to lay the money down, I also can't say that I really want to drop the $47k on a GC diesel that it will probably cost...

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Or, (from all of the above) quit worrying over a new vehicle and get a good used one. The track record in known, the costs can be predicted, and nearly any well-chosen full-size TV will last above 200k. How long will one own it (TIME), and how many miles will one travel (MILES) makes it easy.

Telling the rest of us that it is a question of reliability doesn't wash. 200k miles is the new 100k. Ten years is the new five years. Etc.

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And about suburbans, it has always been a wonder to me why Ford's Excursion didn't make it. It seemed perfect competition for the Surburban.
The Excursion had a reputation for poor handling due in part to weak rear axle springs. While there were and are aftermarket upgrades, they are expensive and tend to raise the vehicle height to the point where it won't fit beneath a standard garage door. Ford discontinued it when gas prices went up, a period when sales of large SUVs declined as a group.
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Or, (from all of the above) quit worrying over a new vehicle and get a good used one. The track record in known, the costs can be predicted, and nearly any well-chosen full-size TV will last above 200k. How long will one own it (TIME), and how many miles will one travel (MILES) makes it easy.

Telling the rest of us that it is a question of reliability doesn't wash. 200k miles is the new 100k. Ten years is the new five years. Etc.

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Yep....never new.
Our 06 was a GM program, Factory demo, 14k. It may take some time to find a good used, but it's worth the effort.

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Yes, I bought our current truck with almost 50 thousand miles on it. In the past at that mileage I would have already been looking at the new vehicle specs.
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Yep....never new.
Our 06 was a GM program, Factory demo, 14k. It may take some time to find a good used, but it's worth the effort.

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Bob,

How did you manage to find a GM program, Factory demo? I'd love to find one.

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How did you manage to find a GM program, Factory demo? I'd love to find one.

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I was working at a Chevy store at the time, and had bugged our Factory Rep for a year with no luck.

Believe it or not I finally found this one on ebay. It didn't sell, so I called the owner, got some info and when I ran the vin# found out it was a GM fleet car, and was sold as a demo in mid 2007 with 5500k on the clock. Drove down to NC, picked it up and haven't looked back since.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart.....

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I was working at a Chevy store at the time, and had bugged our Factory Rep for a year with no luck.

Believe it or not I finally found this one on ebay. It didn't sell, so I called the owner, got some info and when I ran the vin# found out it was a GM fleet car, and was sold as a demo in mid 2007 with 5500k on the clock. Drove down to NC, picked it up and haven't looked back since.

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five million five hundred thousand miles? WOW!
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five million five hundred thousand miles? WOW!
No, I'm sure it is 5500 kiloyards.
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