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Old 03-20-2015, 09:11 AM   #161
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We just did the windows on a 75 Sovereign 31'. Let me say first it was not an easy project.....

Ordered 1/4 LBS of 1/8" rivets from Aircraft Spruce, their part number and description off the order was "AN470A-4-8 MS20470A-4-8 SOLID ALUM RIVETS".

These were perfect for the windows. The length was long for reattaching the hinge but we just cut them off to shorten them.......

I also purchased a new a 1/8" rivet set "12-02319 2.5" STRAIGHT RIVET 1/8""....


The whole order was under $20 and that was more than enough rivets......
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:30 AM   #162
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We just did the windows on a 75 Sovereign 31'. Let me say first it was not an easy project.....

Ordered 1/4 LBS of 1/8" rivets from Aircraft Spruce, their part number and description off the order was "AN470A-4-8 MS20470A-4-8 SOLID ALUM RIVETS".

These were perfect for the windows. The length was long for reattaching the hinge but we just cut them off to shorten them.......

I also purchased a new a 1/8" rivet set "12-02319 2.5" STRAIGHT RIVET 1/8""....


The whole order was under $20 and that was more than enough rivets......

Are these a pop rivet? If so how did they hold up. With water proofing
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:54 PM   #163
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Are these a pop rivet? If so how did they hold up. With water proofing
No, Bucks ...
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:16 PM   #164
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Petroleum jelly and KY are the same thing. One is ageneric chemival name a d KY is a trade name. Petroleum jelly is actually called petrolatum in the chemistry field.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:31 PM   #165
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Petroleum jelly and KY are the same thing. One is ageneric chemival name a d KY is a trade name. Petroleum jelly is actually called petrolatum in the chemistry field.
Ummm... not that I'm the expert, but I think they're different.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:32 PM   #166
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This butyl everyone speaks of is called Polyshim II, made by Tremco,inc. it comes in three different thicknesses, 1/8, 3/16 and 1/4 ich. I searched and searched and called and called!The only place I found that sells by the single roll was All Glass Parts, Inc. In Edmunton, Alberta, CA. They also had the u glazinggaskets. I used the 1/2x 5/8 x 1/2. I bought 5 rolls and 40 ft of the u channel and cost about $90 USD with the exchange including shipping.
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Old 01-28-2016, 09:06 AM   #167
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Tremco at Vintage Trailer Supply

Vintage Trailer Supply has PolyShim II in stock. Here's my order details.

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VTS-634L Polyshim II Butyl Tape - 3/16" Thick X 25 Feet

$19.00


I'm rebuilding the double pane wing windows on my 75 Sovereign this weekend. Will post results.
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Old 01-29-2016, 06:50 AM   #168
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I used aluminum pop rivets back in April 2013. They are still holding together, but they are a little bit ugly looking.

The size of pop rivets that fit are the ones that leave a little hole in their head when the rivet pops. Inside the trailer, rivet pop holes are not a big deal. Nearly all the rivets inside the trailer have a pop hole. Outside the trailer, though, those pop holes let water in. (Why oh why can't water have to follow vampire rules?)

I had to inject some goo to seal the rivet pop holes in my windows. That left my window rivets somewhat ugly looking. "Someday" I will replace my windows' pop rivets, right after I've done all that other stuff I need to do (such as learning how to buck rivets, which is the reason I went with pop rivets).

Don't be like me with something on the "to-do but probably never will do" list when your window project's done. Use buck rivets for reassembly! The first time!!!
I believe the use squeeze rivets to put the window hinge back on. I bought them from Inland RV. These rivets can be bucked but are designed to be squeezed. The"squeezing" can be done with the manual hand held squeezer (about $80/amazon) or a pneumatic type which are $300-500 for the cheap one. Search for the video on YouTube using squeeze rivets.
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Old 01-29-2016, 06:55 AM   #169
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Vintage Trailer Supply has PolyShim II in stock. Here's my order details.

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VTS-634L Polyshim II Butyl Tape - 3/16" Thick X 25 Feet

$19.00


I'm rebuilding the double pane wing windows on my 75 Sovereign this weekend. Will post results.
They were out of stock before the holidays and said they didn't know if they were going to restock them?!
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:31 AM   #170
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Ive bought it from them last year works great just like the original
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:18 AM   #171
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I used MS20470A4-4 rivers. I countersunk the window frame (seal side) then shot the rivets with the buck tail forming in the countersink. After all rivets are shot (installing the hinge) sand the bucktails flush. Now the seal will set flush with the frame and you won't have interference problems
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Old 01-29-2016, 02:16 PM   #172
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:40 AM   #173
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Hi I've heard of yalls process in separating the two glasses...so i saw this heat wire cutter for Styrofoam and its just a long solid thin rod that heats electricly to cut out shapes from foam and does a sweet clean cut. So what about using it to cut thru putty its a faster way to go around edges. Just a thought i might just try it i have a extra spare window and ill video it.
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Old 09-25-2016, 03:34 PM   #174
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Can't wait to see the results!
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:05 AM   #175
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I've redone all six of my curved side Windows. For all the messing around making a heated wire (which I made one using a 12V battery,piano wire, wooden dowel rods and a 12v dimmer. Go to a junk yard and get one from the dashboard either lights or wiper variable current control.
This worked but it's slow,smelly and messy. I found Louie ARMSTRONG and a fresh utility knife shove the blade through the putty that's between the two panes. Keep it in there and pulling/cutting through the putty while inserting wood shims(buy a package at Homo Depot) as you can. You must go all the way around before it separates completely using shims. If you don't put in shims it will stick back together. Also as it appears you could just lift the glass off of the old putty remember , IF YOU BREAK THE GLASS, GOOD LUCK! The cost can be as much as $500 to find and buy a replacement.
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They were out of stock before the holidays and said they didn't know if they were going to restock them?!
You can buy the shimstock by the roll from All GLASS Parts in Canada. Remember if you buy on line the prices are Canadian. Also make sure you buy everything you need because it takes a while and cost additional export fees.
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Old 09-27-2016, 09:00 AM   #177
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Thanks Tlbijou
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:17 PM   #178
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Probaby because the '73 design was even worse that the '75 design! If you look back at the Pics in my Full Monte thread, you'll notice that the frames are basically "negatives" of the '75.

In the '73, the main window frame is buck riveted to the shell. The difference is that the inner glass sits in this part of the frame. The outer glass sits in its own frame that is then screwd to the main frame from the inside of the camper. Does that make sense?

Those damn screws (natually, NOT stainless) are what gave me so much grief. They were rusted and in at least one case, improperly installed (that's what caused me to accidnetally break one of the windows).

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I know this is a super old thread, this is as far as I've gotten. I have a 73' Excella, with the nasty shredded film between all the windows. Could you point me in the right direction? I'm trying to formulate a plan of attack < I was goin g to do the windows later on, but it sounds like I'll have to do with the inner skins off?
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I know this is a super old thread, this is as far as I've gotten. I have a 73' Excella, with the nasty shredded film between all the windows. Could you point me in the right direction? I'm trying to formulate a plan of attack < I was goin g to do the windows later on, but it sounds like I'll have to do with the inner skins off?
Thanks!
Jim, you don't have to remove skins if you have the same windows that I do, we have same model.
The inner window fits in the outer window and is held in by some screws along edge. It's easy to remove entire hinged window: remove the nutcaps on the two rods that hold up the window and disconnect them from window. Open window past were the rods normally stop it and windows will drop out. They use same system of hinge that your refrigerator access door does.
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Jim, you don't have to remove skins if you have the same windows that I do, we have same model.
The inner window fits in the outer window and is held in by some screws along edge. It's easy to remove entire hinged window: remove the nutcaps on the two rods that hold up the window and disconnect them from window. Open window past were the rods normally stop it and windows will drop out. They use same system of hinge that your refrigerator access door does.
Thanks, I'll have a look this weekend
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