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Old 07-12-2007, 09:18 AM   #15
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Looking at that unit again, maybe it's more like the EF 2400iS, not the 3000. And if so, how do they get 3000 watts out of essentially a 2400 watt unit? How accurate is the rating, and is it rated for constant duty use or just ocassional use?

68lbs. is not much for an engine capable of turning a gen set at 3000 watts output. Something smells. Get the EF2400iS and it WILL start and run a 13.5K air conditioner, as some on the Forum have reported. Even better, get it converted to Propane and you won't have to carry an extra fuel source or worry about the carb varnishing over from not being run constantly.

I recently converted an EF1000iS to LP....very simple and straightforward process......................
Hey Lew, Where did you get the conversion kit for the Honda?
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:38 AM   #16
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Get the EF2400iS and it WILL start and run a 13.5K air conditioner, as some on the Forum have reported. Even better, get it converted to Propane and you won't have to carry an extra fuel source or worry about the carb varnishing over from not being run constantly.
This is the ticket! While not as small as the Honda, it handles a full 20 amp circuit, allowing the A/C to start. At 70 lbs, it portable- barely.

I ran an extra hose with a guick connector from the camper's LP tanks to run the generator or the BBQ.
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Hey Lew, Where did you get the conversion kit for the Honda?
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Try US Carburetion out of WV at Generator Conversion Kits to Propane and Natural Gas.

They have conversion kits for just about any gas powered gen-set and also sell factory converted Yamahas.

Nice folks! Great products.................
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Boliy Pro3600SI generator?

Hi again,

Thought some of you might be interested in the following reply from Joe Weger at Midwest Power Products. It's interesting that they've "worked through" 540 Boliy units with only 6 he considers "a bit of a problem". Unfortunately, the minimal parts and service availability issue is confirmed.

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In a message dated 7/12/2007 12:34:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jmweger@earthlink.net writes:
We have included a brochure for your review which should answer the majority of your questions. The Product is made in China by ZHONGGU MOULD CO., LTD. Each reseller is responsible for the warranty of the unit offered for sale; unfortunately there is not a nationwide network for the warranty as of yet, like the Kipor and Honda products.
As for quality, thus far we have worked through the first allotment of Boliy generators (540 units) with only six of them giving us a bit of a problem. Ratio wise this is no greater than our Honda or Kipor powered products. Shipping them with the FEDEX type of carrier is a problem as the unit fully boxed is nearly 80 pounds. We have had several problems with this area; yes they are resolvable but frustrating.
As for performance we have not yet had any bad feed back – providing the user does not think this is a ‘utility’. As for a track record, www.rv.com has had some discussion as of recently, but generally the best we can say is to ask around those that travel for their input. The Boliy originally brought to the US by Mr. Wellington Hue of California has had more experience than all the remaining rest of us. Boliy is presently setting up distribution areas throughout the US; we are in the north central region and offer our services to Wisconsin and it surrounding states with sales, service and parts. As for shipping them outside of this area, i.e. to Oregon, we have done this because no one company supports your region as of yet.
As for support you might be better to try Mr. Wellington Hue @ www.xtremegadget@yahoo.com as he’s the closest reseller to you at this time. Let him know we sent you his way if you should decide to do so.

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Hi,



I'd like to know more about the Boliy Pro3600SI generator listed on your WEB site (Midwest Power Products, LLC). I'm having trouble learning who makes them & where. I can't find a track record of reliability, where to have them serviced, etc.

The wattage, weight, clean sine wave, and sound level all seem excellent for use with my RV.



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Old 07-13-2007, 02:23 AM   #19
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Boliy generators?

Hi Again,

Some of you may be interested in these following responses to my inquiries from xtremegadget.com / boliygenerator.com (in San Diego). Growing a dealer network seems to be in progress.

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In a message dated 7/12/2007 11:20:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, info@boliygenerator.com writes:
Hello Walt,

Reliability is very good. There were small problems like the choke cable adjustment at the first lot. However, it had been greatly improved in the current lot. You can also read www.classbforum.com and type Boliy to see a lot of discussions. We are stocking all parts for the generator. We are still signing up new dealers. Currently, service is available from us in San Diego. However, most of the problems can be resolve with a phone call or change of spark plug. A lot of people are worry about service but actually doesn't turn out to be a problem at all.

Best regards,

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In a message dated 7/12/2007 6:58:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sales@xtremegadget.com writes:
We are selling the Boliy for $990 on Home



XlsWalt@aol.com wrote:
Hi again,

As an additional thought since my initial response that I'm shopping -- if you're interested in potential new dealers, try info@harvey-marine.com . They're a great shop (Been using them for many years) & they handle Kipor. If they became a dealer, you'd have a bunch of Intel engineers as a potential market (Hillsboro, OR).

Walt

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In a message dated 7/12/2007 6:19:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sales@xtremegadget.com writes:
Walt,

Yes, we are the Boliy generator distributor in US. Are you interest in buying one or become a dealer?

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Old 07-13-2007, 06:23 AM   #20
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My $.02

Some people buy a Honda generator because they know they can be serviced almost anywhere. Others buy them because they know they won't have to be.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:36 AM   #21
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Walt,

Your initial post expressed a proper doubt about how a quality generator could be sold for so little. I think that for anyone to buy one of these is to either believe that the Hondas and Yamahas are overpriced for what they deliver or that the features that drive up those costs, thus omitted from the Boily units, have nothing to do with reliability. Or perhaps that the units are just overpriced and no additional value is there at all?

It may well be that the low-cost units can perform what you need if you don't demand much and are prepared to discard them as they wear out. However if you want to depend on the units and be confident they will be available when you want or need them you'd be better served to make the investment for the long term.

After all - wasn't it the quality of the unit that sent you to Airstream in the first place, rather than going for the cheapest TT you could find?

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Hi Overlander63 & pmclemore,

As I said in an earlier post in this thread, "Lew, I'd go with the Yamaha EF3000iS if it weighed 68 lbs. dry instead of 147 lbs.". The fact is, there seems to be no other generator that matches the specs of the Boliy Pro3600SI. Functionality, QUALITY, and price are all important to me. Isn't that why we research & shop? I don't assume a product new to the market is of low quality, though I try to keep a healthy skepticism and to understand any risks involved (There's even risk in breathing -- you can't eliminate risk).

I'll check back Monday. We're off to some higher elevation in the Cascades near Mt. Adams to escape the heat & meet some friends.

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Hi Overlander63 & pmclemore,

As I said in an earlier post in this thread, "Lew, I'd go with the Yamaha EF3000iS if it weighed 68 lbs. dry instead of 147 lbs.". The fact is, there seems to be no other generator that matches the specs of the Boliy Pro3600SI. Functionality, QUALITY, and price are all important to me. Isn't that why we research & shop? I don't assume a product new to the market is of low quality, though I try to keep a healthy skepticism and to understand any risks involved (There's even risk in breathing -- you can't eliminate risk).

I'll check back Monday. We're off to some higher elevation in the Cascades near Mt. Adams to escape the heat & meet some friends.

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Walt,

If the Honda, Yamaha AND Kipor 3000 watt units ALL weigh in excess of 140lbs, what makes you think that the Chinese have found the magic formula that will allow this new Boliy unit to produce the same 3000 watts from a unit weighing less than half of these weights.

This point alone would raise a lot of red flags for me.
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Walt,

If the Honda, Yamaha AND Kipor 3000 watt units ALL weigh in excess of 140lbs, what makes you think that the Chinese have found the magic formula that will allow this new Boliy unit to produce the same 3000 watts from a unit weighing less than half of these weights.

This point alone would raise a lot of red flags for me.
Lew, I know the "Tuners" are able to get 500 hp from a Honda Civic, more than almost any American iron. Why am I bringing this up? Have you ever been around a Tuner car that has been run that hard for 5-10,000 miles? They smoke, knock, rattle, and are basically worn out. I have a feeling this new generator is something like that. Short term, it probably can and will put out that much wattage. Long term, spit, sputter, shudder, thump thump, wheeeze....clunk.
I hope I'm wrong, it would be nice to have a low weight generator capable of running my a/c. I just want them to get some long-term operating under their belt.
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Old 07-14-2007, 08:15 AM   #25
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EPA label attached?? Interesting thread considering the increasing number of recalls of Chinese products. The Consumer Protection site lists a concerning number and type of dangerous and defective products from abroad. The trend isn't promising. I checked the EPA website to see if this is really a registered product, or if they just "attach" an EPA label, but it's down for service today. I'm also following up on the digital converter claim re not needing a flywheel. It's nice to see folks here as skeptical; a great protective behavior considering the trends!
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:01 PM   #26
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Hi,

Now back from a beautiful spot this past weekend & had a great time with good friends:


Will & Wellington in San Diego did provide a bit more information (Below) about the Boliy generator design & differentiation in response to my thank you for their earlier responses.

I'll continue watching this thread, but there's nothing more I can add at this time.

Best Regards,
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Hi Will & Wellington,

You might have noticed some interest in dual fuel, Propane/Gasoline carburetion in a couple of the posts to the thread I sent you. More RV users than you might think would like to have this option. Since you're working closely with the factory on the design & features of the next models, it might be profitable to have them include this as a standard feature. If included as a part of the standard production model design, something like this can likely be added with a trivial incremental cost and much greater added value to the customer.

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In a message dated 7/13/2007 1:44:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sales@xtremegadget.com writes:
Walt,

Thanks for your posting. After you order one, you will like that. As far as it is a knockoff of Yamaha, many of the Boliy generator are different. They invented the digital signal processing (DSP) inverter technology with the help of a German firm first and want to put it into a generator. Instead of start from scratch, they copied some of the layouts of the Yamaha EF2400i. It is a way to reduce the design time greatly. However, Yamaha's chassis is metal and Boliy is all fiberglass plastic. The inverter is digital and Yamaha is only analog. In this case, Boliy is actually has a more advance technology. An American firm offered them a lot of money to buy their DSP technology. They are actually worry that the Japanese will copy the DSP from them. I think Honda and Yamaha will saw the benefit of DSP and start to work on their own DSP inverters.

We are working closely with the factory on the 2000W, a 5000W generators, and a wind generator. We told them not to copy the look of any existing generator or otherwise people will say knockoff again.

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a generator dream ...

With the integrated inverter of the hondas and yamahas I envision a "pseudo-hybrid" solution:
A lot of RVs have inverters aboard to provide AC energy while boondocking on 12V DC. Modern inverters (some at least) have the potential to "boost" an existing grid power..
sooo
The genset is running (e.g. a convieniently small honda 2000) the microwave and maybe some small lights - then the AC kick in and starts. The start up current is what overloads the little honda - but the onboard inverter (battery powered) in the RV synchs to the honda's unit - et voilá: a small gen can run a relativly big load - or in other words:
The need for drastically oversizing the gen-set just for that fraction of a second when ACs kick in with their big start-up current would be gone / reduced.

best of it:
one would not buy anything new/extra - just some smarter firmware on the inverter (at least if it is a true sine type) would to the trick.

Any electronics gurus tried this before - could not find anything similar so far as a product...

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Hi again,

9% to 15.9% energy conversion efficiency (gasoline to electricity)
I nearly forgot to mention a post I came across that went through the numbers to identify the efficiency of some generator sets on the market. The numbers are worse than I'd thought:

Posted: 07/11/07 04:49pm by Wayne Dohnal (3rd on this page)
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fu...6.cfm#19978686

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