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Old 04-07-2005, 09:47 AM   #15
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Another newbie question- What type of brakes do I have on a 66 SAFARI?
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:48 AM   #16
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Has anyone heard of the HIDDEN HITCH Pilot & Omnitrac brake controllers? Anygood?
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:53 AM   #17
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My pops has a hidden hitch....I didn't care for it all that much FWIW.....
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My pops has a hidden hitch....I didn't care for it all that much FWIW.....
What was wrong with it?
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Another newbie question- What type of brakes do I have on a 66 SAFARI?
Your '66 Safari would have either Kelsey Hayes or Dexter drum type electric brakes -- I am not certain whether they are 10" x 2" or 12" x 2". If they need many new parts, it is usually quite a bit more economical to purchase "fully loaded backing plates" that include all new parts (shoes, springs, hold-down hardware, magnets, etc.) -- these were utilized when my Overlander's brakes were overhauled about six seasons back.

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It wasn't as smooth at the Prodigy. It would grab hard sometimes and other times it felt as if it wasn't kicking enough volts to the brakes.

All in all, compared to the Prodigy, it was a night and day difference. I would compare the Hidden Hitch to the Voyager (which was the first controller I had).
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which brake controller....

Thanks all for the amazing info, it's been very helpful.

I'm still undecided though, any more experiences with the new BrakeSmart?
I'm a little confused about the sensor's or whatever they are talking about that have to go on the trailer.
Since I had my brakes re-done, bearings drums and all, (at inland rv, a very fine job!) the brakes have been grabbing very hard.
I think it is my ancient brake controller, an original 1988 part in my '88 Suburban that still run's off a line from the brake cylinder. No matter how much I adjust it, it makes no difference. Sometimes one of the wheels even locks up and skids.
Thus, I am looking for a new controller.

Has anyone had experience with a Husky Excursion? Dealer said it is exactly the same as the Prodigy, but $80 cheaper, and they've had no problems.
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which brake controller....

Thanks all for the amazing info, it's been very helpful.

I'm still undecided though, any more experiences with the new BrakeSmart?
I'm a little confused about the sensor's or whatever they are talking about that have to go on the trailer.
Since I had my brakes re-done, bearings drums and all, (at inland rv, a very fine job!) the brakes have been grabbing very hard.
I think it is my ancient brake controller, an original 1988 part in my '88 Suburban that still run's off a line from the brake cylinder. No matter how much I adjust it, it makes no difference. Sometimes one of the wheels even locks up and skids.
Thus, I am looking for a new controller.

Has anyone had experience with a Husky Excursion? Dealer said it is exactly the same as the Prodigy, but $80 cheaper, and they've had no problems.
The situation you describe with your '88 hydraulic brake controller indicates that you either need resistors on the coach's hitch or those that are mounted need adjustment or replacement. With the old-style brake control that had the hydraulic line leading to the tow vehicle's master cylinder, it was often necessary to have resistors in the system and they were most typically mounted on the coach -- I don't know whether it is still possible to find these resistors as I haven't utilized one of the hydraulic type brake controllers since 1983.

I haven't had any experience with the Husky Excursion brake controllers, but if you have confidence in the dealer who is making the recommendation it might be worth a try. The one caution that I would make is that it will be far easier to find parts and service for one of the popular brands when on the road and some distance from home -- I carry an extra new Hayes-Lemmerz Energize XPC brake controller with me when on the road since they are far from common -- have never had to use it, but it is a nice insurance policy (especially since I was able to get it on a super sale at more than 30% off regular retail).

Have you considered taking your coach back to the service center that performed your brake job? I would be concerned if just one wheel were typically locking up -- it usually isn't a brake controller problem that causes that -- at least when it happened to me it was caused by a wheel having incorrectly adjusted brakes. Also, on a new brake job, if the shoes weren't machined to match the drums, there can be problems even brake application.

Good luck with your investigation!

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Prodigy

After much advice from the forum I got the Tekonsha Prodigy.
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which brake controller....

Thanks all for the amazing info, it's been very helpful.

I'm a little confused about the sensor's or whatever they are talking about that have to go on the trailer.

I think it is my ancient brake controller, an original 1988 part in my '88 Suburban that still run's off a line from the brake cylinder. No matter how much I adjust it, it makes no difference. Sometimes one of the wheels even locks up and skids.

Thus, I am looking for a new controller.
I found a site with a comprehensive description of the earlier hydraulic/electric brake controller that discusses among many other things the selective resistors utilized in the system. It pre-dates 1988, but according to the unit that I had on my '83 GMC G20 Vandura there weren't very many changes. The information can be found at the link below:

http://airstream.net/members/documen...lsey-Hayes.pdf

Good luck with finding a solution to your braking issue!

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TobyJH,
I went to BrakeSmart when I bought an '04 Avalanche 2500 last March, installed the hydraulic sensor without any difficulty, and found the controller I had been hoping for compared to a couple of others I used extensively with previous vehicles. No delays between tow vehicle and Airstream, no grabbing; the same brake response from the trailer as I get from the truck. Great product, great technical support, and worth the price in my experience!
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The best brake controller is the 'Tow Command'. The cost is $40,000 and it comes with a brand new (you choose the color) Ford Superduty.
Based on my experience I'll second this completely! The built-in brake controller in my 05 F250 is far superior to the Tekonsha Sentinel I previously used. However, the Tekonsha Sentinel was far superior to the Tekonsha Envoy I first tried.
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beware the tow command system

hi steve and others

since i don't pick up the new tin can for another 10 days or so, i have yet to tow it.

one of the main reasons i purchased an 05 superduty was the built it controller and having the protection of a ford factory warranty with it. the favorable reviews i read were the same one you and others likely read.

however......and this was a BIG surprise once i had the truck. if you look in the owners manual regarding the integrated brake control, there is a big box warning that says it is only to be used with electric-drum brakes, and not with electric over hydralic or other systems.......i had to reread this again in disbelief but it's there in english....... take a look for yourself.

since i had waited on my trailer order to get the disc brakes, after reading this i figured i was screwed and should have stuck with the drums......and WHY wouldn't the integrated brake controller work with electric to hydralic discs anyway???

repeated calls and emails to ford tech and no answers. discussion with the top mechanic at the dealer and no answers.

finally while i was touring at jackson center one of their folks was able to speak with an engineer at ford. and he confirmed that the system would work fine with the airstream factory disc system, with one exceptiion. while at a complete stop using the dash lever to apply trailer only brakes wouldn't work but during movement it would work fine as would the rest of the system.

so for me the best part of the factory visit was getting info on my tow vehicle!

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I can't believe this, I have a Prodigy in the Impala and one in the Suburban. About a month ago, I noticed that the boost light would come on (on the unit in the Impala) all by itself. I keep the boost off, so it only had the power indicator light on. I just noticed that there is now only one piece of the numeric display (one part of one number) now flickering. Not sure what the heck happened. I might have a ground issue, but if any of you have seen something like this, please let me know.
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