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Old 10-20-2007, 07:42 PM   #1
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International CCD insulation?

My wife and I have narrowed our A/S selection to a 22' or 23' Internatonal CCD - either the Ocean Breeze or the Paprika design. Now, we just have to find the trailer. Today we spent time at a mini rally where several A/S owners were wrapping up the '07 'streamin year before putting their trailer away for the winter. In talking with the owners, several of them stated their problem (dislike) with the CCD we were interested in was that it lacked the insulation of most A/S. The aluminum exterior, being riveted to the stuctural ribs and then more aluminum on the interior also riveted to the same ribs transferred the exterior COLD directly to the interior. They told us the CCD was very difficult to heat when the outside temperatures dropped into the lower temps. IS THIS TRUE??? Did A/S not insulate the CCD as well as other models? Has it been anyones experience that these are, indeed, colder interiors than other A/S? Is this a noticeable problem that we can expect? We're not looking to drain our propane tanks trying to stay warm. Any light anyone can shed on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I don't feel we can trust the A/S salesman to give us a straight answer as he/she does have a vested interest in our purchasing the trailer.

Thank you for any advise or information you can shed on this topic.
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:49 PM   #2
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I believe the CCD has the SAME INSULATION as the Classic and the Safari. The difference is the CCD does not have the padded walls and fuzzy ceilings which tends to create additional insulating properties.

I prefer the shiny, clean walls and ceilings and am willing to forego any percieved insulation. I can wear a sweater if I get cold .
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:00 PM   #3
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In talking with the owners, several of them stated their problem (dislike) with the CCD we were interested in was that it lacked the insulation of most A/S.

They told us the CCD was very difficult to heat when the outside temperatures dropped into the lower temps. IS THIS TRUE??? Did A/S not insulate the CCD as well as other models?

We're not looking to drain our propane tanks trying to stay warm.


Thank you for any advise or information you can shed on this topic.
the CCD is insulated the same as any other modern 'dream stream.

if your using full hookups, use an electric heater (the interior of the CCD has electric plugs), not the propane; or if boondocking i use a 1000 btu cat heater to save $$$ on propane, but i'm thrifty. example: while camping in daytime temps of 18 degrees, and nightime temps of 9 degrees, you can keep my 25 foot CCD at 72 degrees w/ a 1500 watt ceramic electric heater set to the low setting... (i do however set the furnace to 40 degrees to keep the tanks and water lines from freezing, and let it run once in a while)

if your totally freaked out:

a) move to so / bi california, we rally 12 months out of the year and don't need to "winterize".

or

b) buy a big white fiberglass box, and do whatever it is they do...

just sayin,

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cosmo' correct...

all still have the same pink stuff in the walls...

and the skin in NOT directly connected to the ribs and inner walls nemore...

there is a thin rubber/butyl thermal break between ribs and skin...

i'm not sure it does much, but it is there...

regardless the mouse fur and foam/vinyl are warmer to touch and do not develop condensation...

cold/heat via trailer/human skin conduction is apparent

which does happen on windows and bare aluminum inner skins...

acoustics are also different...

besides it scares me to see my reflection inside and at nite in my birthday suit!!!

mr an mrs cosmotini are much more attractive naked!

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mr an mrs cosmotini are much more attractive naked!
... aw 2air, you SWORE you wouldn't tell!
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:02 PM   #7
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Hi, Pilgrim. I have to agree with just about everything said so far except about 2air's comment on Mr. and Mrs. cosmotini; I don't know them. My opinion is that the Safari with the padded walls and ceilings and the smaller windows are much more practical, but the CCd's with Ocean Breeze are really neat and stylish. Maybe you could special order a CCD with padded ceiling or mouse fur walls [ as 2air calls it] as a happy medium.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:07 PM   #8
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Hi, Pilgrim. I have to agree with just about everything said so far except about 2air's comment on Mr. and Mrs. cosmotini; I don't know them. My opinion is that the Safari with the padded walls and ceilings and the smaller windows are much more practical, but the CCd's with Ocean Breeze are really neat and stylish. Maybe you could special order a CCD with padded ceiling or mouse fur walls [ as 2air calls it] as a happy medium.
*rolling eyes*

mr robert who gives such good americana advice... which i take, and you're always spot on...

HOWEVER

i disagree, i actually own a CCD, which i'm using every two or three weeks...

why pay the extra money for the CCD if you're going to do that? add mouse fur or whatever, and those cute little rv windows that open 6" on the bottom...

just screws up the whole CCD design... which is far superior to the safari line. IMHO

why not special order the CCD w/o any windows at all, and insulation glued to the roof...

as your drywall contractor, i'll sheetrock the interior for free, even add a nice hand texture for acoustic properties...

i'll charge though for the green shag carpeting... but look at it this way, it adds insulating R value... you'll save on propane...

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Old 10-20-2007, 11:13 PM   #9
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Hi, Kevbo. I agree to disagree with you. I like my little windows and we vertually never open them. If we want fresh air, we open the same door that you have and go outside. As for "far superior" I doubt that; My trailer cost about half as much as your's and will go anywhere your's can go, cook anything your's can cook, shower as well as your's can do, sleep as well as your's can do, protect us inside just as well as your's can, and will last just as long as your's will. Far superior, absolutly not. Prettier, maybe.
As for the "Hemi" thing, My Lincoln has as much of a Hemi as your Dodge has; The real Hemi's are a thing of the past except for some new, old design, crate motors from Mopar. Have a nice day my cowboy friend.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:28 PM   #10
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Pilgrim,

Hit the road to JC. Have you taken the plant tour yet? It's run Monday-Friday at 2pm. I can't recall them mentioning any differences on insulation between the models. Personally we like the shiny aluminum interior. It makes for a nice ambience in the evenings. While the classic padded interior is nice for acoustics, we hadn't plan on using it for surround sound events and it would tend to pick up odors anyhow, and if you have a leak, mildew!

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Hi, Kevbo. I agree to disagree with you. I like my little windows and we vertually never open them. If we want fresh air, we open the same door that you have and go outside. As for "far superior" I doubt that; My trailer cost about half as much as your's and will go anywhere your's can go, cook anything your's can cook, shower as well as your's can do, sleep as well as your's can do, protect us inside just as well as your's can, and will last just as long as your's will. Far superior, absolutly not. Prettier, maybe.
As for the "Hemi" thing, My Lincoln has as much of a Hemi as your Dodge has; The real Hemi's are a thing of the past except for some new, old design, crate motors from Mopar. Have a nice day my cowboy friend.
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I think any CCD should be fine as all Airstreams are insulated. The CCD in particular has the better windows, so leaks are not as common, like the non CCD units of similar size. I found that after I fixed my non-CCD windows myself my fuel consuption for the furnace went down. IMHO, the windows and doors have the most leakage than most any other thing on the Airstream. Buying a CCD with the better sealing windows will clearly cut your heating losses by 25%.

Oh and go with the larger of the two. Why? Few folks can say my Airstream (or any RV) has too much storage, too much space, etc...unless you have a 30+ foot unit. Most of us that went smaller have typically gone a bit bigger down the road. At 23' you'd be in the middle.
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:48 AM   #13
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I thank each and everyone of you for your comments. YES, we have been through JC - and I recall his comments about insulation and he didn't differentiate between the models. I assumed all were the same. The comments we heard from the rally group yesterday is what got us to thinking maybe they knew something we didn't. I'm thinking they were commenting based on their feelings about the CCD - they didn't care for it and came up with their own reasons, perhaps. We like the shiny interior - the clean look -the designer look of the CCD very much. We also like the 23' being two feet less than a 25'. Easier to maneuver, tow, and lighter for our TV. But, much harder to find "used". Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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I've seen plenty of used Classics and Safaris, but the used International seems to elude most of the classified ads.

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