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Old 08-13-2014, 10:49 AM   #15
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The Dodge Eco Diesel uses a Fiat diesel engine.
That is a bit of a stretch. VM Motori was an independent diesel engine company. They make well regarded diesel engines. They were purchased by Detroit Diesel. Then Daimler Chrysler bought Detroit Diesel. Then Penske bought VM Motori from Daimler Chrysler. Then Penske sold half of VM Motori to GM. Then Fiat bought out GM's share. Then Fiat bought the rest (in 2013).

I guess we could say that since Fiat owns Chrysler, that all RAM trucks are Fiats too.

I like the VM Motori engine, but I also like the EcoBoost. I wouldn't worry about the turbos, they aren't new technology. Worry about the electronics if anything.

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Old 08-13-2014, 07:18 PM   #16
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I have been towing my 25 ft. Safari w/my 2010 F150 5.4 for the past 4 years in the Southern Rockies (passes to 11k+ feet) as well as the entire length of Baja, Mexico and have all the power I need. BTW, as I fulltime (14 years plus) everything I own is in trailer or truck bed.

I'm really glad to hear that. If we can't find something affordable before next summer, we'll probably be taking our same rig to the mountains of Colorado and hope for the best. Thanks.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:51 PM   #17
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I have a 2013 150 ecoboost with both packages. I mean to do the figures anyhow, so give me a week and I'll post all the door tags and the CAT-scale readings.


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Rollster,

Your concerns are exactly why I'm waiting on the 2015 F150 and I don't have a trailer yet, payload capacity pulling through the Rockies. May I ask what your tongue weight on the 25 is?
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:28 AM   #19
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Our 2013 F150 handles our 30' classic like a charm. The 2015 ought to be better with the lighter aluminum body. Haven't heard if clear coat will be a color option....



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Old 08-15-2014, 09:47 AM   #20
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Using your logic, all present US cars should be suspect. I remember very few US built cars were reliable in the 1970s. That's when the Japanese gained their foothold in the US market.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:37 AM   #21
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Positive comment on the EcoBoost

I just went from a 2013 F150 SuperCrew XLT EcoBoost 3.55 locker with #1650 payload to a 2014 SuperCrew XLT 5.0 V8 3.55 locker #1550 payload (company trucks) No Max tow or Max payload package on either.

Pulling a 27' #5000 Avion with #725 "on the ball" (#425 trailer tongue and a #200 or so of a P3 hitch)

In the 2014 5.0 V8, for the first 150 feet or so from a dead stop while towing, I thought I left the anchor out as compared to the EcoBoost! Small hills and grades also require judicious application of the right foot and resulting downshifting (plural). The 3.73 or 4.10 would be my axle if I choose the 5.0 V8 to tow.

BTW - With the ProPride - the trailer is on rails with either truck. Fantastic!

The 2014 also has the 20" rims with "shorter" sidewalls that I like the feel of better versus the 18" tires on the 2013. (both non LT)

I miss the EcoBoost - towing or not.

I think the V6 EcoBoost with the Max Payload, (6.5' bed, 3.73 axle, LT tires) and Max Tow would be the ultimate 150 / 1500 series approach to towing. I hope this is a 2015 set of options. And with a supposed #700 diet from the aluminum.....could be interesting. Might not need the Max Payload any more?

At least until we see how the 2016 Titan V8 5.0 Cummins and supposedly the Tundra (flex frame?) with same engine spec out .............
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:45 AM   #22
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From what I understand, the reason you cannot find many max payloads on the lot is that in order to get it on the very popular super crew (screw) model you need to order with a 6.5 bed. As you any know/notice, the 5.5 is by far the most popular size with the screw as it is used by many families instead of an SUV.

The reason you need to go with the 6.5 in the screw is that the longer truck (157"WB vs. the 145") has a heavier frame than the 5.5 (as I understand it). The only way to get the max payload is to go with a model that has that heavier frame. .150 vs .110 IIRC. That plus the heavier duty springs etc. turns the truck into a nice 5/8 ton model. About perfect for many RV'ers needs. IMHO (and that is all it is) I think too many folks tow with trucks that are unrated cargo capacity wise. The max payload gives it a nice bump up.

I currently tow with a 2003 Dmax. The drivetrain has been great, the rest of the Chevy so-so fit and finish wise. The Ecoboost has turned my head as I like the lower RPM diesel like torque that it has, plenty to pull my '28 (and we may downsize to a 23/25' as our daughter is heading off to college). Note that my '03 Dmax has about 520 ft/lbs. of torque not the monster 800 that the newer trucks have, an ecoboost V6 about420, so the drop isn't all that damatic, espcially when pully a load well under the rated capacity of the truck Would I miss the Dmax, yep, but the reliablity of the current crop of diesels seems to be down, mainly due to complicated emissions systems. The greater simplicity of a gasser is attractive. Plus they have had years to sort out gasser emissions, vs. less than a decade with diesels. Remember gasser emissions systems back in the 70's....ouch. Well as far as I am concerned, that is where we are with now with the current crop of diesels, although they are awesome power wise etc.

What would I order? For me, as we use the truck for hauling friends around etc. (my daily driver is an Accord Coupe), F150, 6.5 SCREW,max tow, max payload, lariet, head/AC seats etc.. I would also likely order a new one, as used max payloads (as has been discussed) are hard to find, and when they are, they are quite often "work trucks". Priced out....OUCH about 50k or so, but they can be had for about 10k less. Still thinking about it, at this point I might wait on the '15s, hopefully they have that alum construction sorted out! Otherwise, I would likely bite the bullet and do with a late model DMAX.
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One other point - you can get a 5.5 bed SCREW wtih 1,900 payload if you order the Ecoboost and the Max Tow. To get the Max Payload you would have to get the 6.5 with the Ecoboost which would take you to 2,310 (if my figures are correct). I figure with 3 people our kayaks, 900 lb. tongue and the rest of the junk we are around 1600. That still leaves a pretty good cushion without going max payload. However, I wonder if the max payload would help even at the lighter weight. To get the extra 400lbs. the max payload gives you with the SCREW (2,300 vs 1,900 cargo), you need to get the longer truck. hmmmmmmmm Of course if you don't go with the SCREW than that's another ball of wax.....LOL One thing is that there are a LOT more Max Tow non-Max Payload late models out there than there are Max Tow/Max Payloads. That means a lot more choices (color/features etc.) and likely more bargining power. Of course I think a lot of guys will trade up to the'15 when it comes out, so it might be worth waiting until spring if one is looking for a used f150 as I think there will be a lot more out there.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:00 PM   #24
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I just got a 2014 F150 w/ Ecoboost and the max tow pkg. I have an Equal-i-zer weight distribution hitch towing a 2014 FC19. Sure it is light at 4500 lbs loaded but in setting up my hitch, I did as instructions stated....measured the front wheel well with the rear loaded but not connected to the trailer, then hitch up the trailer and remeasure the front wheel well. There was only a 3/4 of an inch difference with the trailer attached. I am happy with that. It tows like a dream! The F150 has a terrific backup camera that when the ball is attached, in reverse, the backup display shows a dotted line from the ball to the hitch and pings when you are under the receiver. My wife backed the truck up to the trailer without any signals or help from me...a direct hit! I just lowered the trailer and...Bob's your uncle, we were attached. I really like that feature. The mirrors are great too. I can now see the flashing lights on the cop car behind me.
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That sounds sweet DP. Enjoy!
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Your concerns are exactly why I'm waiting on the 2015 F150 and I don't have a trailer yet, payload capacity pulling through the Rockies. May I ask what your tongue weight on the 25 is?

Our last scale reading indicated 960 pounds for the tongue weight. We had one full propane tank, as far as we can remember. Since then, we also converted from queen to twin beds in the front, but haven't yet calculated if that made a difference or not.
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I have a 2013 150 ecoboost with both packages. I mean to do the figures anyhow, so give me a week and I'll post all the door tags and the CAT-scale readings.


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Please do post your figures when you have them!
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Ecoboost Max Tow & Heavy Duty Payload Package

I picked up a new 2013 F150 Ecoboost 4x4 Supercrew with 40 miles on the odometer, 3.73 gears, 6.5 ft bed w/Max Tow/Hvy Duty Payload Package last summer on a 'Hail' Sale' for 26,000. After the break in I've towed a 28' Travel Trailer (7800#) and just recently swithced to a 37' Travel Trailer at 8,800#. Truck pulls it great! Fuel mileage does go down! But overall very happy with the truck!
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