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Old 01-05-2008, 06:49 AM   #1
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solid rivet size

I searched... a little.

Can someone tell me the size of solid rivet I need to put the shell/ pan/ channel back together.

Does anyone have a riveter to rent for a week or so?
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Old 01-05-2008, 06:56 AM   #2
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I intended to say does anyone have a solid rivet gun and bucker to rent...
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Try the local airport. Find a maintanence shop. They may let you borrow one.
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When I attached my screen door I needed to "buck" six rivets. I made a gun from an air chisel. I cut the end of a blade off and put a slight inside curve in it with a large drill bit. I used a 20 pound log splitter as a buck bar. Since the door wanted to swing as we worked on it, my wife and I must have been a sight to watch. It did work, the rivets mushroomed and the door is back on.
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The part number for the rivets is:
MS20470AD5-X
The X is length in 16ths so the most likely size is a -4 or -5. You need 1.5D, with D= rivet diameter of protrusion from the complete stack-up (or thickness) of the material to be riveted.

Good deals on riveting tools can be found on E-Bay using "Aviation Tools" as the search
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okay I see that airparts offers those rivets in their catalog MS20470 Universal Head Rivets is it the 1/8" diameter or 3/32" diameter that I need? If I was inclined to purchase my own riveter, what do I need to look for? I see 1x, 3x, 4x... if I am shooting 1/8" that would be 2x? I am a little confused... the olympics are 5/23"which is much larger than the two diameters offered. Does the head widen as it is driven? I also need clecos? the black ones?
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Here's a breakdown of how the numbers work
MS20470AD5-4
MS= Military Standard
20470=rivet head style, in this case universal head
AD=alloy of the rivet, in this case 2117 aluminum
5=diameter of the rivet in 32's of an inch
4=length of the rivet in 16's of an inch measured from the mating surface of the head

The rivets used on your airstream are what is called a brazier head and are no longer available. They were also 1/8 inch diameter. The replacement rivet is the universal head of which the 5/32 diameter is almost exactly the same head style as the old 1/8 brazier head. So to answer your question you will need to buy the 5/32 diameter.

The most used rivet gun is the 3X for these rivets and the thickness to be shot together. A 5/32 rivet set is also required.

The head of the rivet stays the same size after being shot, only the back of the rivet swells. this is called the bucktail. After the rivet is shot it should be around 1.5 diameters in size.

As to clecos you should get 1/8 and 5/32. 1/8 to hold it all together during the first assembly where you might have to tweak or adjust things a touch. When you are satisfied that you are ready to install the 5/32 rivets, step up the holes to a number 21 install the black clecos and shoot the rivets in.
Riveting tools can be found on E-Bay fairly reasonable using aircraft tools as the search

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Aerowood,

Thank you, thank you, thank you... I now know exactly what I need. I would send more karma, but I am told to spread it around. I have been learning so many skill sets doing this project that to be honest I am reeling from all of them. Shooting rivets sounds like it will be a lot of fun.
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Great advice from the expert. I would also order some -6 length rivets. If you need to cross two or more thicknesses of skin and a frame rib you will need the longer ones.

I found I used a ratio of about 75 of the -6s for every 300 of the -5s.
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You'll find that these rivets have a gold look to them, but Aerowood promises that it will polish off to a fine Airstream silver.

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I have been on ebay looking... the tools I see either have about 500 various heads or none. More confusion... do I need something besides this US 3X Rivet Gun and I/R Cyclone Grinder Aircraft Tools - eBay (item 140194580986 end time Jan-06-08 17:51:56 PST) or this Ingersoll Rand Rivet Gun 3x Aircraft tool NO RESERVE! - eBay (item 120205687176 end time Jan-09-08 19:51:31 PST) I think something goes into the tip. Anyone have one to rent for few weeks.
I have been very ill all weekend and the temp outside is in the mid 50's, this is killing me... trying to keep making progress even though I am stuck in bed.
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you will also need a rivet set and bucking bar. like this set.
Brown Tool - Cart: 963255
Either one you have listed will work. you don't need the straight die grinder. I find them haed to control. 90 degree die grinder is far better
Brown Tool - Cart: 963259
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You will also need cleco pliers
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ouch the price of doing it right is not cheap. that is about the same cost as 2 batteries... what would wally do? what would wally do? Hey anyone want to rent a riveter?
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Basically what you need is a 3X rivet gun and a 5/32 universal head rivet set, and some bucking bars. Bucking bars can be anything made from heavy steel, like a piece of railroad track a thick piece of heavy steel or bar stock. The only requirement is to get a piece of heavy weight square on the back of the rivet before you pull the trigger. My favorite bucking bars are all homemade. You can sub the cleco,s with a small sheetmetal screw also, Just as long as the hole that you shoot the rivet in is a clean 21 before the rivet is installed.
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