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Old 03-06-2012, 07:19 AM   #15
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I cackle every time I see that disinfomercal

One of these has worked for years as aux heat.

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Has anyone completely removed their LPG furnace and rely solely on electric heat?
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:45 AM   #17
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Has anyone completely removed their LPG furnace and rely solely on electric heat?

Not by choice....when the LPG took a dump on our 63 Safari the Polonis took over for 5 Seasons. OK but not great. Still use it in the Classic on occasion.
The LPG has always been the better long term option for us.

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Old 03-06-2012, 08:30 AM   #18
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"Has anyone completely removed their LPG furnace and rely solely on electric heat?"

I have not removed our LPG furnace but I do rely on electric heat. This Louisiana weather doesn't allow for much heater use. I use a very small ceramic heater to get the chill out the air and on the rare occasion I need more than that our new AC has heat as well..
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:23 PM   #19
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I've been thinking (that's what keeps me in trouble), about the heat in the trailer. I have seen advertised on TV, Amish Heaters (other brands also) that keep a large area worm while the casing stays cool to the touch, and cuts down on the utility bills. Has anyone tried this type heater in their tin can. Just wondering---any way to save a buck, ya know....Tom
I guess anyone that has tried a "worm," better get another past time. Warm looks better...why didn't someone fall me out?
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Was it P.T. Barnham who said there's a sucker born every minute?

Nope, P.T. Barnum

(you can laugh at my "curtains" as response, Paula: the sew-er made them with an office stapler and spray adhesive. But it's an improvement over what was removed).

As to electric heat I'm less in favor as time goes on. The power cords heat up, the TT electrical system is worked harder . . . propane just isn't that expensive.

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Has anyone completely removed their LPG furnace and rely solely on electric heat?

When our Suburban died we pulled it and have not installed a replacement. The extra storage space is nice but Winter camping can be pretty cold at times. The eletrci is okay but we'll eventually replace the LPG unit.
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Amish people are pragmatic. They wear polyester because it's durable. Even though most don't have electricity in their homes, some sects us it in the barns so they can sell the milk to non-Amish dairies which won't accept hand milked or unrefrigerated products. Many though not all Amish avoid being photographed, because it's worldly (vain). Popular tourist destinations have affected the quality of craftsmanship in a large number of Amish communities. Before you go into an Amish restaurant - take a look in the dumpster - in quite a few you'll find commercial size cans of fruit filling and packages of premade piecrusts. Sigh.

Amish heater? Amish ELECTRIC heater? Doh!
Most Amish still use Iceboxes and wood, coal or kerosene stoves. (but then advertisers wouldn't sell so many if they called them B***S*** heaters would they?.

Quilt making and wood working - Well Amish toys are now generally ASSEMBLED by Amish, but the wheels are imported from China, etc.
Frankly master craftsmen do still exist, but a reasonably careful woodworker with modern tools, laser sights, etc., that can cut and turn precision pieces with a better result than anything built with hand tools by a craftsman of modest experience.

Because most people don't really know a good quality quilt from a Chinese knockoff (most of which are just awful) there are a lot of Amish quilters who are selling quilts they'd have used as horse blankets 20 years ago.

Was it P.T. Barnham who said there's a sucker born every minute?

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I agree with most of your statements. However, if you think about it, the tourist have ruined the group in southern PA. Probably Ohio and elsewhere also. Not you, but I believe several have the Menninite and Amish mixed up, not knowing their relationship--or lack of. When we lived in northern Virginia, we had an Amish family build our "dream," home. It was amazing the dedication and craftsmanship they possessed. The 2 quilts we have, I would not trade for anything else I have seen. I believe that the Amish/Minninite of yesteryear would look mighty good comparing the way the world is today. Anyway....enough. Thanks for your response.
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We carry a small space heater and use it 99% of the time, also a small hotplate and crockpot we use when we can.

When we are hooked up to electricity and paying for electricity, why not use electricity?


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When we are hooked up to electricity and paying for electricity, why not use electricity?Maggie
I have two comments regarding the above statement.
1) This past weekend I had the opportunity to inspect a 2005 Airstream Clasic for the new owner. The PO used space heaters almost exclusively for a source of heta in the trailer. During the inspection process I discovered that the hot leg of the shore power cord is severely discolored (burnt) and the rubber surrounding it is melted. This damage is a direct result of using space heaters for an extended period of time. What you save in propane is more than offset by this type of damage.
2) I am a campground owner and I can tell you from personal knowledge that electricity is the biggest cost factor in operating my business. Electric heat is the most expensives and least efficient method to heat any space. I bet you don't heat your home with electric heat because of the cost. Yes you are paying for a site with electricity so go ahead and use but don't abuse it. Why do you think the cost of renting a site with electricity is rising so rapidly. The electric companies are constantly raising their rates but per site usage is also rising dramatically.
I have done year by year cost and usage comparisons at my business and while the rate I am being charged by the electric companies is rising by far the biggest increase in my cost is from usage. So where do you think this cost is going? It is passed on to you the end user which is reflected in the daily rates. There is no free ride in this life and what you save in propane is going to end up costing you more in site fees.
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I have two comments regarding the above statement.
1) This past weekend I had the opportunity to inspect a 2005 Airstream Clasic for the new owner. The PO used space heaters almost exclusively for a source of heta in the trailer. During the inspection process I discovered that the hot leg of the shore power cord is severely discolored (burnt) and the rubber surrounding it is melted. This damage is a direct result of using space heaters for an extended period of time. What you save in propane is more than offset by this type of damage.
2) I am a campground owner and I can tell you from personal knowledge that electricity is the biggest cost factor in operating my business. Electric heat is the most expensives and least efficient method to heat any space. I bet you don't heat your home with electric heat because of the cost. Yes you are paying for a site with electricity so go ahead and use but don't abuse it. Why do you think the cost of renting a site with electricity is rising so rapidly. The electric companies are constantly raising their rates but per site usage is also rising dramatically.
I have done year by year cost and usage comparisons at my business and while the rate I am being charged by the electric companies is rising by far the biggest increase in my cost is from usage. So where do you think this cost is going? It is passed on to you the end user which is reflected in the daily rates. There is no free ride in this life and what you save in propane is going to end up costing you more in site fees.
Hmmm, I see your point.

Our rationalization is this: we are tiny, yet pay the same per-site fee as rigs which are easily 2-4 times bigger than we are. Some of these have 2 air conditioners, a washer and dryer, full size frig/freezer, a couple of televisions, etc.

We use a single space heater, about 10" high. Our tiny size also means heating is not that difficult, and we do run the propane when dry camping or when using a space heater is prohibited.

We receive no discount at any time of the year, because we use only a fraction of the electricity that the big rigs use.

I understand what you are saying, but there are two ways to look at this.


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I agree with this statement. I suspect it costs at least 50% more to heat with electricity as it does to heat with propane. So there is no utility cost savings by heating with an electric heater.

There also is a safety aspect to this. Electric heaters are not meant for permanent heat, just temporary heat. Most housing codes do not allow them to be used for permanent heating.

Most electric heaters are 1,500 watts (5,000 btu/hr). It would take 6 of these heaters to put out the same heat as your 30,000 btu/hr furnace. One heater will take the chill off, but will not really heat the trailer when it gets really cold.

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Hi Maggie I can understand your rationization regarding your unit size and agree that it is not quite equitable regarding site fees and unit size.
My response was meant as a general information post and not as a direct attack against you so I hope that no offense was taken.
Please keep an eye out for your shore power cord for signs of over heating due to high consumption for extended periods. I see several of these cords per year at my place yet the owners swear that they are not using space heaters. I had one person who attached their own wires inside my site receptacle to run an all electric kitchen in their shed. They nearly caused a serious electrical fire and I had to replace several feet of wire and the receptacle and it's cover as well as they had to replace their shore power cord. Inside this shed/kitchen was a toaster oven, an electric griddle, an electric kettle, a microwave oven, a house size fridge, an electric sandwich maker, an electric frying pan and several other electric appliances and they were astounded as to why all this caused a problem. I realize that this example is extreme and not at all similar to yours but I'm just stating what I have seen over the years.
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Dan,
You are absolutly correct in your statement. I just threw out the topic to see what others, if any, do to supplement their heating requirements. Being so new at this (still pseudo-camping in our driveway--2 month owners 19' Bambi), I am finding it is very interesting to see what others have dreamed up. Thanks for input. Tom
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