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Old 02-11-2007, 10:11 AM   #477
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Tim, here is the information on the axle. I'm including two images. the first is of a Henschen axle that was stock on my Bambi. As the diagram shows the mounting bracket on the axle has the vertical mounting element toware the outside of the axle. The dexter axle can be ordered this way. However it is a special order that may take longer to get. Now since you are planning to put a Dexter type axle on a trailer that originally had spring axles, This item may not be necessary to consider. If you look at the second picture that is of the Dexter axle, you will notice that the vertical portion of the welded axle bracket is toward the inside of the trailer. The second bracket that comes bolted to the welded bracket is the one you can use for mounting the new axle. A importand note: Only weld on the second bracket. Never weld on the axle, tube, or welded on bracket. If you do you will ruin the axle. Since you are doing a custom installation, I'd say use the Dexter as is. Less confusion.
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Might be ok for a Bambi, bit I would highly recommend an axle mounting plate on a dual axle trailer as large as Tim's. ( Ambassador) Having the vertical section of the bracket towards the outside of the frame rail makes it lokk and work like OEM. It also won't inerfere with teh belly pan as much.
It is very easy to get the configuration you want from Dexter. Just fill in "reverse brackets, low profile side mount".
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:56 AM   #478
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I hope you don't mind my 'chiming in'.

The Dexter Torflex mounting brackets are only about 11" long. The load is concentrated over a short length of the frame.

I would spread the load out with a axle mounting side plate that is at least as long as the distance from the original front spring shackle to the rear spring shackle.

I'm saying I agree with Uwe, and be generous with the length.
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:24 PM   #479
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I hope you don't mind my 'chiming in'.

The Dexter Torflex mounting brackets are only about 11" long. The load is concentrated over a short length of the frame.

I would spread the load out with a axle mounting side plate that is at least as long as the distance from the original front spring shackle to the rear spring shackle.

I'm saying I agree with Uwe, and be generous with the length.

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The first picture shows the correct orientation of the bracket in the upper right corner.
The second picture shows the rear section of the axle mounting plate, sans rear axle.
If you have an axle mounting plate in place, then you won't need Dexter's weld-on brackets.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:00 PM   #480
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If you have an axle mounting plate in place, then you won't need Dexter's weld-on brackets.
If you're going from leaf springs, you might have a reinforcing plate, but not a mounting plate that hangs down below the frame rail.

Need to fab one and weld it on. I'd worry about the frame tube buckling without it.

edit: don't forget to allow for the thickness of the mounting plate when you order axles.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:18 PM   #481
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We recreated it for 55cloud's frame, using Dexter's weld on brackets, and extended them about a foot on each side. I wish I had some pictures of teh conversion. It turned out very well.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:28 PM   #483
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This forum is so great. What would we do without each other? I know I'd have make several mistakes on my Bambi. I'd also say that the frame reinforcement is a must. Thanks I hope you take lots of pictures as you work and put them on the forum. We all gain.
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NorCal - carlson hearter

From the looks of things, the guts of my heater look the same as yours.

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I thought that something strange was going on...the small hole that you see is in the tube that feeds the pilot. it appears to have rotted out. I think I will have the A/C guys at work re-plumb me a copper line.

Thanks for the help...the picture that you posted of your heater made me feel more confident about taking mine apart.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:37 PM   #485
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kaffe, glad you found the problem on your heater. We really like ours. They are simple, and to us that's a positive. Don't forgit to do a carbon monixide test.
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OK, so I'm back to needing a mounting plate made and welded to the outside of the frame rail.

I needs to be long enough to go from one axle to the next in one continuous peice. Then I order the Dexter with the brackets reversed and it gets bolted from the side.

Do I also need a renforcement peice on the inside frame rail runing from axle to axle with notches over the tube? I think Uwe was telling me this.

Don, why would I have to allow for the thickness of the mounting plate? If I measure the outside frame to outside frame dimension with the reversed brackets, shouldn't they line up even with the outside frame rails? If so, they'd bolt right to the made up mouting plate coming down the side.

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If you're going from leaf springs, you might have a reinforcing plate, but not a mounting plate that hangs down below the frame rail.

Need to fab one and weld it on. I'd worry about the frame tube buckling without it.

edit: don't forget to allow for the thickness of the mounting plate when you order axles.
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Don, why would I have to allow for the thickness of the mounting plate? If I measure the outside frame to outside frame dimension with the reversed brackets, shouldn't they line up even with the outside frame rails? If so, they'd bolt right to the made up mouting plate coming down the side.

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If you plan to do the reversed bracket, the outside frame dimension would be the same as the bracket dimension.

On my '59 Tradewind, the outside frame dimension is 58.00 inches. With the reinforcing plate (which is 40.00" long for a single axle), the frame is 58.25". The reinforcing plates are about 8 gauge. So if you weld the axle mounting plate on top of the reinforcing plate, the outside dimension needs to include the reinforcing plate.

Unless you decide to take the reinforcing plate off when you remove the spring mounts.

I'm sure you have seen this part of the Dexter installation instructions.

I'm saying exercise caution, measure twice, all that. Would hate to need to shim out to make the axle fit. Although that would be much better than having the brackets too wide.

You can see the edge of the reinforcing plate in this picture.
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Tim, Here is a picture of the original mounting plate for the axle on my trailer. This was for a Henshen axle. Yes, you can have the mounts reversed by Dexter to match the original type mounting brackets. Here is the explanation of my quick and dirty photo. It's the best I have of this plate. You need to ignore the fact that the photo shows the part that I just cut out. #1 outlines the outside shape that is welded to the frame. the plate is about a 1/4" piece of steel. #2 Marks where I cut the piece out for my changes. You don't necessarly need to do this if you go for the original outside mounting. #4 is a triangle piece of metal that is welded on to work as a stop. This stop prevents the inside of the fender from being damaged when the trailer hits a hard bump. #4 is a notch in the mounting bracket that the axle passed through. It also functions to locate the axle in the correct position. If I read Uwe's suggestion correctly this plate should run from the mounting position of one spring mount on the frame to the second spring mount. A second piece of plate welded on the inside of the frame, couldn't hurt! I hope the others jump in and make comments. When I get their information I think I will make a drawing for others to consider. The second picture shows the shock mounting for this type of axle.
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Tim,

I'm going to revise what I said above about the frame and bracket width, regarding allowing for the thickness of the reinforcing plate.

You would be better off, I think, to ignore the reinforcing plate thickness (assuming you have one) when you order the bracket spacing. If the brackets are a little narrow, it would not be a difficult thing to shim out on one or both sides.

And that gives you the option of leaving in or removing the reinforcing plate, now or in the future.
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Apology:

I shouldn't write until I've had a cup of coffee. Hope you understood the drivel.
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