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Old 08-08-2010, 10:28 PM   #1
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Occasional no start!

Every once in a while after it has been running the 84 310 454 will not start. I wait a few minutes and then, it will start. It has a new starter and new solenoid. I was told to have a mechanic enlarge the coil inside the starter!

Anyone had a similar experience?

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Old 08-08-2010, 10:53 PM   #2
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this thread is worth reading:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...oid-59038.html
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:45 AM   #3
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Because the starter is located close to the exhaust manifold, some reports of no-start after running have surfaced...if you let it cool off awhile, it will start again...we have had this problem, so when I shut off the engine after a drive, it's because I don't plan on going anywhere for awhile...otherwise(on the road from A to B), I will leave it running.
Seems to me there is reference in a thread to installing a heat shield...mike
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:47 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=pdallas;880950]Every once in a while after it has been running the 84 310 454 will not start. I wait a few minutes and then, it will start. It has a new starter and new solenoid.

pd- Let's narrow this down. When it's not starting does it turn over at normal RPM'S or not at all? Just clicks? Turns over slow?
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Hello PD,

Scrapy is spot-on!
I had the same issue with my old 454 P30 chassis MOHO.

I installed a shield and a insulating blanket over the starter and I never had the problem again.

Hi Scrappy!

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Old 08-09-2010, 05:24 PM   #6
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The heat from the manifold and block "heat sinks" the starter and that causes an increase in internal resistance and a no start. ArtStream's fix is has been used with success for years in Burb's and trucks with the big block. I have never read why the big block was more prone to the problem but is was.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:27 PM   #7
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Thanks Guys!
345bill. The motor will do nothing! Plenty of juice to dash lights, but when switch is turned; nothing. Definitely acts like the heat sink thing! It already has a shield. I can buy some thermal wrap and wrap the overall unit easy enough!

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do the lights dim when you turn the key?
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The dash lights stay bright. I have not had anyone eyeball the headlights.

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PD,
The starter won't do anything, if it's the heat thing...turn the key, and you get...well...
n o t h i n g...
Mr Artstream...long time, no see...good to hear from you, my friend...Q in Nov...
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Old 08-10-2010, 01:40 AM   #11
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ok, it sounds like the started solenoid is not being activated. the first things i'd try are:
1) chock the wheels, wiggle the shifter while in neutral and see if the starter comes to life.

2) test the ignition switch and see if it is sending 12v to the starter.
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pd-As everyone has already said about excessive heat in area of starter be sure to check condition of all starter wires at starter. That's also where the heat sink is, on my 345.

Everything Ricky said in post # 11 is what I'd check also. Although a faulty neutral switch shouldn't be heat related it could very well be a vibration problem causing intermittent no crank.

You mentioned in post # 1 that it has a new starter and solenoid. Did you have the same problem before these were installed?

Let us know.
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pd- I just remembered one problem I had on my 345 that's similar. Where the neg battery cable, from start battery, connects to the frame had a loose/crummy connection that caused cranking & battery charge problems, intermittenly. Lights, radio and stuff would work fine. After I cleaned the cable end, new bolt & nut, the problem was cured. Easy enough to check.
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Thanks Bill: That would be a good thing to do anytime!
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