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Old 01-03-2007, 11:30 AM   #29
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I just could not sit on the sidelines of this thread any longer. I do like the looks of the Land Yacht and would love the amenities it would provide; however, it is not aluminum and not a "real" Airstream. What makes an Airstream unique is the styling, rivets and everything on the inside fits through the door. I was in the factory when they were making the last of the boxy motor homes and saw how they had to place the refrigerators on the floors before the box was built around.
We will keep our wonderful, 25 year old, dependable, classic motor home, running long enough to pass it on to our grandchildren.
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Old 01-03-2007, 01:02 PM   #30
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I've seen the fiberglass Land Yacht and Sky Deck being built in the Jackson Center factory. They are "real Airstreams". They are just another product line of the Airstream company. The company that owns the trade name can put it on what ever product they please. It is not up to the general public to decide what is and what is not an Airstream. I've not seen a law written anywhere that says an Airstream "must contain 65% aluminum by weight, have rounded ends, be silver in color and shiney."
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:23 PM   #31
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I agree with Kent....the thing that makes an Airstream a real Airstream, is the monocoque shell. Without the shell, you can put whatever name you want on it, sure it will be an Airstream in name only, but not share in the tradition and heritage that made Airstream what it is. It matters not where the Airstream was made, California or Ohio, it's the fact that the shell and other unique things that make Airstreams what they are..... What does matter, again IMHO, is that it share the base parts that Airstream has been known for. Folks are totally right, the board of directors and Thor can do as they please, I don't think that's the issue here at all.

I'd further agree, the Airstream company has many bright folks that make the decisions they do and have the knowledge on why they must do what they do.

I would disagree with the statement that:

"It is not up to the general public to decide what is and what is not an Airstream."

I think quite the contrary. I think that sales numbers from customers will be the deciding factor and the final say what is accepted as an Airstream or not will be from customers. So far it appears that the Airstream box motorhomes haven't sold all that well and thus the possible outsourcing from another member of the parent company. If that statement is even remotely true, as time passes, you may find the same issue has only moved factories.

I totally understand and appreciate why Airstream is doing what they might be doing, but I don't have to agree with it. That makes me personally not an Airstream snob, nor a member of the Thor board of directors. I happen to get along just fine with all campers I see and meet at the campground. I'm simply offering my personal opinion on what I feel makes and Airstream special.
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Old 01-03-2007, 03:29 PM   #32
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So can we expect another name change proposal? Wally Byam Airstream/Mandalay Owners Association?
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So can we expect another name change proposal? Wally Byam Airstream/Mandalay Owners Association?
We can only hope. The last one was so much fun.
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Old 01-03-2007, 04:45 PM   #34
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While I said it doesn't matter to me if they put the Airstream name on a Mandalay, I agree that the public will ultimately decide if it's a good idea...through sales figures. Since I'm not in the market for a Moho, nor will I be anytime soon, it doesn't matter. Of course, to paraphrase Mr. Shakespeare, "A [Mandalay] by any other name is still a [Mandalay]" Or in this instance, an Airstream.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:29 PM   #35
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I want to thank everyone who replied to this thread. My concern for the change is just like the stockholders. I believe it will tend to devalue our MHs as the price for used ones are starting to rise just a bit because AS has quit building them. I am not one who stands on snobbery as those who own Prevosts can surely put us in our place. I have noticed that a lot of WBCCI members with trailers can emulate snobbery pretty well though.
Sorry about the mandalay bay thing. I should'nt be on this computer in the wee hrs.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:58 PM   #36
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I'll say my piece and then quietly get out of the discussion. What we have with Airstream is a rather significant heritage, going back to the mid '30's, that makes us willing to shell out hard-earned dollars for what purports to be a continuation of that heritage. To simply state that Thor has the right to put the Airstream moniker on anything they manufacture - although true - demonstrates a total disregard, and lack of respect, for the intangible heritage value of Airstream. We're too quick, in today's world, to turn our back on the past and embrace anything that's new, shiny, and different! If this kind of attitude persists and begins to dominate, I, for one, will end my love affair with Airstream and all that it means to me. I would rather sell out before being casually associated with anything less.
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:07 PM   #37
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You can call a horse a cow, but on the other hand, she wore a glove, to be a member of WBCCI, or whatever name may be next, the RV must be manufactured by Airstream Inc. No mention of an RV with an Airstream name.

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Old 01-03-2007, 09:10 PM   #38
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Sounds to me like it's pretty much a done deal. I'm sure that Airstream folks read this forum, so it wouldn't shock me to think this hasn't been observed and noted.
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We also have to face the fact that Thompson and Orthwein created Thor in order to acquire Airstream: Airstream was Thor. In fact, these guys saved a floundering company that might well not have made it without their management, like it or not.

It's not the evil parent -- Airstream created the corporate underpinnings for what is now the largest RV company in the world.

And has anyone looked at the profitability? Thor is a good company. They're doing some things -- many things -- right.

Buy some stock. Speak up as shareholders. Benefit from the successes.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:11 AM   #40
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The company that owns the trade name can put it on what ever product they please. It is not up to the general public to decide what is and what is not an Airstream.
Your point is taken. But, it truly IS up to the general public to decide. In sales. The final judge will be if the public buys into the Airstream box or not. Airstream has always had a unique product, very distinguishable at a distance, with unique construction techniques.

Now they build a box. What will make this box stand out from all the other boxes out there? The label? I think not. They better either have a superior product or a slick marketing strategy.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:25 AM   #41
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Hi, can't we all get along? Airstream can make anything they want or relabel anything into an Airstream. The auto industry has been doing this for a long time. Ford Courier / Mazda, Chevy LUV / Isuzu, Hyundia / Mitsubishi, and Isuzu Rodeo / Honda Passport and the public still bought them.
If I were to separate all of the Airstreams, I would just make two groups. 1. Traditional rivited aluminum bodied trailers and motorhomes.
2. All other Airstream badged trailers and motorhomes.
I can't afford and never will be able to own one of these massive motorhomes; To me they are just luxury homes on wheels. And I can't consider that camping. We consider our trailer as a convience or replacement to motels and a home base to allow us to GET OUT into nature. If I want something overly large and comfortable I can return to my plaster box mounted on a dirt lot.



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I agree, Thor stock is solid and has been since day one of going public. If you take a look at the other 800# gorilla in the industry, Fleetwood, it's not as pretty of a picture. This was taken from the yahoo finance site. Thor is one the left, Fleetwood, on the right. Thor seems to have gone public in the late 80s. While Fleetwood seems to have went public in the early 80s. Though I clearly don't agree with the decision to label another brand an Airstream, for whatever purpose, one can clearly see that Thor, though not perfect, has been doing most of the right things since day one if you look at the stock price trend....it's mostly upward.
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