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Old 01-20-2005, 04:29 PM   #15
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Great ideas. No limited package but the flag storage box and the electric stablizer jacks would be nice. I also really like the idea of the cell phone antenna, with connection points at the couch, dinette and beside the bed. I'll have to talk to Airstream about this. Sounds like something that should be standard today. Also the audio/video upgrade is something that could probably be greatly improved on considering whats available out there. As long as the wiring is pre installed. That's the problem. If you don't do it during production it's almost impossible when the walls are closed up, and Airstream seems reluctant to do anything thats not standard. Someone mentioned how hot the interior can get in the summer, is one 15000 btu A/C big enough for a 34"? I usually don't like any of their interior choices, but I'll find something that we can live with. To be honest I'm looking forward to taking out their cabinets and building my own. I'm already thinking of ways to incorporate a 20" or larger flat screen TV in the angled portion of a custom built credenza with stereo , cd, vcr etc next to it. I have some ideas to kind of take the interior to a higher level of trim than Airstream can offer. Maybe thats why they need a custom shop as someone already suggested. I tried to buy a 34' from the factory with everything pre plumbed, wired, ceiling material and bath fixtures, but no real interior but they wouldn't do it. I've been building houses and furniture for over 30 years now so it's difficult to look at their cabinets and not want to build new ones.Thats not meant as conceit, I just know that I can build better cabinets than they do. The other issue is the floor. There seems to be a lot of issues with squeeky floors. I'll bring that up at the factory.Thanks for all the suggestions and keep them coming. This thing hasn't been built yet. It's going to be interesting to see how accomodating Airstream will be.
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I ordered a 30ft Clasic Limited on Dec 28,04. From the sheet listing of options it comes with prewired tv and phone jacks in the bed room and at the credenza. I did not order the sound system up grade or any tv's. I think I can install these items myself and get a better system.
I also ordered the solar syster, and the dealer will install the hensley-arrow hitch.

My plans are for full timing later this year, after I sell the house.
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Old 01-20-2005, 06:45 PM   #17
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I ordered a 30ft Clasic Limited on Dec 28,04. From the sheet listing of options it comes with prewired tv and phone jacks in the bed room and at the credenza. I did not order the sound system up grade or any tv's. I think I can install these items myself and get a better system.
I also ordered the solar syster, and the dealer will install the hensley-arrow hitch.
Although I think that the Hensley is in most cases a waste, a friend with a 30 Limited just installed a Hensley to correct a downright dangerous sway situation. He is a long-time Airstreamer and has never had a problem in the past; He tried sway bars, dual-cam, sway bars with the dual cam and the factory even replaced his tires and the trailer was still all over the road to the point of being dangerous. The Hensley finally settled it down.

The best explanation seems to be that the 30 Limited is marginally too heavy for the tires (same tires as on my 25 Classic) and even at maximum pressure, the trailer wallows and steers itself all over the road. A second friend with a 30 non-Limited has had some instability problems, but less so than the Limited. The dual-cam solved it for him.
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Old 01-20-2005, 07:47 PM   #18
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Wasn't there an optional AC for the bedroom on the 34' at one time. Like a 13,500 unit for the bedroom and 15,000 for the front? I might be thinking of an Award 34' that had that option in the past. Seems like that could be the answer to AC problems in the bigger rigs.
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Old 01-20-2005, 08:01 PM   #19
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We have a 94 34' limited and have been looking hard at a newer both with and without slide. The slide gives more space but takes away from viewing the tv. The flat screen tv is mounted on the bulkhead in the galley. I didn't like this arrangement. The limited has the electric stabilizers which I dearly love and would not want to be without. The limited has wood table tops in all 3 locations as well as the credenza excella or whatever they are calling the non classic uses laminate. The laminate is more pratical but not as pretty. Two ac units with heatpumps would be a must for my next 34 and will in all likelyhood be an upgrade for my present unit. I have 2 40 pound propane tanks and if I am not mistaken the new classics only have 30 pound tanks. I have not seen a new limited with keyless entry like my 94 has. The new units do not have pocket doors between the galley and the head and the head and the bedroom. They are now using an accordian door forward and a sliding door aft. This limits the location of the TV to the curb side of the bedroom, which is prewired for tv. It sits on a shelf which makes that side on the bedroom hard to get around the bed. The new units are beautiful I just wish they hadn't scaled back on some of the goodies. The limited has the alloy wheels which really look nice.
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I think you're right Rich. Looking at Colonial Airstream's site, I see a 34' Classic that has 2 A/C units...I believe one is a 15k and the other is a 13.5k.

It can be found here:

http://www.colonialairstream.com/newinventory/7548.html

Also, I gotta say, the sale price they post seems pretty darn reasonable, course it's off season and the 2006s are gonna start being built in about 4 months.....
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Old 01-20-2005, 08:12 PM   #21
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Although I think that the Hensley is in most cases a waste, a friend with a 30 Limited just installed a Hensley to correct a downright dangerous sway situation. He is a long-time Airstreamer and has never had a problem in the past; He tried sway bars, dual-cam, sway bars with the dual cam and the factory even replaced his tires and the trailer was still all over the road to the point of being dangerous. The Hensley finally settled it down.

The best explanation seems to be that the 30 Limited is marginally too heavy for the tires (same tires as on my 25 Classic) and even at maximum pressure, the trailer wallows and steers itself all over the road. A second friend with a 30 non-Limited has had some instability problems, but less so than the Limited. The dual-cam solved it for him.
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Does your friend have a slide-out model?

We have a 30' Limited non-slide, and had lots of sway last summer towing all the way across the US and back with a Reese high performance dual cam. We were probably near our rated weight limit, and I'm pretty careful about distributing the load and maintaining tire pressure, but I had been blaming our sway problems on the hitch -- maybe it's the tires??

I felt that the 15,000 btu air conditioner was straining at times during this past summer to maintain the temperature in our 30' unit, and we never got much hotter outside than low 90's. I don't know how others with the 15000 btu AC do with their 34' trailers, and/or in hotter conditions than we experienced last summer.

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Silver. Right on with the two AC's shown on Colonial's website 34'er. Nice trailer. I wonder why Airstream hasn't figured out that it's not cool to have exposed wires showing on a $90,000 unit. Look at the picture - above the microwave for the TV jacks. You'd think that if they were going to install a flat screen at the factory that they might also hide the wires. I don't get it. Would Lexus sell a car like that? Doubt it.
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Old 01-20-2005, 09:52 PM   #23
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The Limited package got us the two 40 lb bottles (you don't want less with a 34,000 btu furnace), the electric stabilizers, black tank flush (priceless), screen door guard (essential with pets or kids), burgundy awnings on all windows (does the Classic have awnings streetside?), brass and acrylic door/drawer pulls, brass sink fixtures, the prettiest wood I've ever seen in an Airstream, including all wood tables (vs Formica insets), wide burgundy ZipDee chairs with the Limited label, as well as the caps and jackets. Check out the pictures in the link in my signature.

We also got the oven option, which has been great for boondocking. You don't really lose any storage space, in fact you probably gain some over drawers, if you store all your cooking stuff like nesting pots and pans, cake pans, pie pan, pizza stone, etc, in the oven.

I agree with the comments on the skylights. We don't use the one in the lounge much, but the one in the dressing area is priceless. Not having one forward would give more roof area and flexibility for solar panels if you're inclined that way. You'd be surprised at how little room there is for them on a 34'.

The dual Fantastic Fans with rain sensors are great.

The 13,500 btu AC has been adequate, but we live in Ohio. I suspect dual AC (and 50A power) might be required in really hot climates, if not parked in the shade.

The max width on the credenza for a flat panel TV diagonally across the front is about 18" from corner to curtain rail. That should barely accomodate the right 20" diagonal 4:3 TV (16" wide screen with up to 1" frame on each side of it.

It would be nice to have stereo audio cables run from the credenza up to auxiliary inputs on the stereo, but if you can't manage that, and the TV has an audio out, you could plug an FM modulator into it and tune it in on the stereo.

If you're going custom-built I'd try to get the real wood flooring, not just in the galley, but all the way forward... if they're still doing real wood flooring. The carpet's nice on bare feet in the bedroom and dressing area.

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tires as the cause of sway?

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it's hard for me to imagine the tires could be the cause of sway....unless greatly under inflated.....as in only 10-20 psi inside the tire.

i also don't want to believe that airstream is using tires that are underrated for the load....this would seem to place them at great $$$ risk liability wise.

while i'm also still learning the science behind hitches (pun intended)....weight distributing hitches don't reduce trailer axel load that much do they?

please offer some your insight on my post about trailer weights....i searched quite a bit and really didn't find an answer.

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it's hard for me to imagine the tires could be the cause of sway....unless greatly under inflated.....as in only 10-20 psi inside the tire.

i also don't want to believe that airstream is using tires that are underrated for the load....this would seem to place them at great $$$ risk liability wise.

while i'm also still learning the science behind hitches (pun intended)....weight distributing hitches don't reduce trailer axel load that much do they?

please offer some your insight on my post about trailer weights....i searched quite a bit and really didn't find an answer.

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The 30/31 Classic Limiteds are the heaviest trailers on two axles with the exception of the Slideout model which has massive tongue weight which would lead to less sway tendency. The tongue weight is in the "safe" range, but not nearly as high in proportion as a 25 or 28.

The dealer and the owner have tried for over a year to "tame" this trailer. This is a long-experienced Airstreamer towing with a crew-cab Dodge diesel. The trailer has been towed behind several other capable trucks with similar results; it was frightening. The factory went over the trailer and replaced all 4 tires once. One axle has been replaced due to a bearing failure. Wheel tracking has been measured. The trailer has been weight several times. As I said above, a variety of anti-sway measures were tried. The dealer finally installed the Hensley and is currently trying to get Airstream to pay for it ... it is the only thing that has made the trailer safe to tow.

The consensus here is that, even though the tongue weight is in the low end of the preferred range, the four tires, even when fully inflated and within specification (just) have to be the key to the problem.

I have the same 4 tires on my 7300# gross 25 Classic and I never run anywhere near gross. He grosses 10000# on those same four tires. With the extra weight of the Limited package (power stabilizers, etc.), he probably runs a lot nearer gross than I.

I don't doubt that the tires are within published capacity; however, I have had prior experience with a trailer with tires "just" within capacity and I had continuous problems. It was a 5th-wheel, so I didn't have sway problems, but I experienced many tire failures and excessive wear.

BTW, load distributing hitches increase the weight on the axles by transferring some of the hitch weight to the trailer wheels.
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The Limited package got us the two 40 lb bottles (you don't want less with a 34,000 btu furnace), the electric stabilizers, black tank flush (priceless), screen door guard (essential with pets or kids), burgundy awnings on all windows (does the Classic have awnings streetside?), brass and acrylic door/drawer pulls, brass sink fixtures, the prettiest wood I've ever seen in an Airstream, including all wood tables (vs Formica insets), wide burgundy ZipDee chairs with the Limited label, as well as the caps and jackets. Check out the pictures in the link in my signature.
The 40# bottles and electric stabilizers are the two things I wished I had on my Classic. But my Classic includes the sreen door guard, black tank flush, blue awnings on all windows, and nice looking wood with no formica insets. Caps, jackets, and wider chairs would be nice but really???. I still do not see why the huge price increase for the package?

The burgandy color is different but I would still choose blue.

Dual ACs would be a must for real cooling in the hot sun. And the bigger (nice for the 34'), newer (50 amp) RV parks usually have little shade. My 30' Classic kept the interior at best 85 in Reno last summer with the 15,000 AC.
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Craftman,
I only mention this because I didn't get the impression in the reading of your comments about installing TV's..
"I'd seriously consider upgrading to the "HDTV ready TV" as a necessary requirement for the near/long term." (It's just a matter of time before it swepts the country)
Concerning the A/C issue, I have often wonder why a vertical a/c unit wasn't used over a roof-mounted unit. Design considerations aside, think about the overall advantages from non-roof mounted concept.
1.Cleaner roof lines.
2.No holes in the roof top.
3.A much larger cooling capacity.
4.Easier to maint.
The negatives I could come up with is the possible loss of closet space and increase internal noise issues.
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Wireless antenna system option is a real winner~!!
The main problem I see with a wireless cell antenna system installed as mention is the line loss in getting the signal from the numerous mention points. Last time I heard, all cell fones have at the most is 600 mw of power. One could get around this if you were to use a lower loss cable coupled with a power amp. I've seen an website on the internet for a company that provides this type of service.
BTW, Airstream has working for them an individual who oversees the company's QC program that is a retired Engineer from LMC..I'd be willing to bet you that, he'd be your best contact point for the proper understanding of the requirements for that type of installation.
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Old 01-21-2005, 05:35 AM   #28
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I started doing a little more searching on the web and the HD flat screen TV is definitely the way to go. Sharp makes a nice 20" with a narrow profile and speaker on the bottom as well as a 15, 1nd 17". Maurice, I looked at your photo's and I would like my cradenza stocked like yours. Is that part of the Limited Package? Now I better understand the cost. I was also looking at the 34" on the Colonial site with the dual A/C's. Set up like that, does that mean that you couldn't have a fantastic fan in the bedroom for times that you didn't or couldn,t run the A/C? The one in the front is standard ,right? The oven and standard microwave argument is convincing as is the 40lb tanks and electric stabiizer jacks.I like everything about the Limited Package except for the price. Is there any problem with the handling and towing with the 34'?
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