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Old 01-27-2008, 12:14 PM   #85
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I guess I'm headed down that rosey path

Great Bud commercial. They look like little Alki's!

Stef, you tried every option with Jasper and gave him every chance, more than most owners would. Since he's going back to the rescue group, he'll find a more appropriate home. Good luck with your search for another new hiking buddy and pack mate.

Seven months now since losing my sweet Maggie, Lulu the Shepherdor and I are ready to get a new pack mate too. The arrangements have been made to bring home Dugan, a 3 year old Australian Cattle Dog, on February 17. Dugan, AKA the little red devil , is a rescue fostered through Tennessee Valley Cattle Dog Rescue. Lulu seems to get on fine with him, but like Lulu he is too clever for his own good ~ that's what makes him so endearing. I forsee partners in crime. This will be interesting . . .
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:20 PM   #86
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That Bud commercial is hilarious. It brings to mind the picture you posted a while back of the the two dogs and the cat looking for a treat, with Alki right up on the chair with an expectant look.

Thanks for the laugh.

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Congrats, Sugarfoot, Dugan looks like a winner. Does he come with his bukkit?

Jasper is back home with his foster mom now. Luckily he was with her for six weeks, and only with us for two, so he was so happy to see her he was jumping up and down. She just got a new foster dog, and she called after we got home to say they were playing together and laying on the floor chewing on each other. So now he has a brother to play with him! I think it all works out in the end. She said they'll find him his next home with no cats or small dogs to annoy.
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:26 PM   #88
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Dugan is here now, his first day. Sorry Stef, even though he was so cute in it, he didn't come with his "bukkit". Stef, I hope you don't mind me picking up this thread since Jasper has moved on and you have the too adorable Barclay. Now I have a situation similar to what you had only with a twist.

Dugan, the new Red Heeler, has been well-behaved for the most part. It's Lulu, the 9 year old Shepherd/Yellow Lab that is the problem. If there was no crate to separate them someone would be badly hurt or dead. I've never seen Lu like this. I'm dealing with near continuous barking and growling. When it's her turn to come out of her crate she literally charges Dugan's crate grabbing it in her teeth and shaking it. We are talking about loud teeth-barring, saliva-slinging, ears-flat-to-the-head behavior. Naturally, Dugan responded from within his crate in a similar fashion. The two of them got on fine during a visit to the breed rescue farm. I realize this is only the first day and Lulu was here first, but the stress on both dogs (and me ) is palpable. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of thing before? Advice? Anyone?
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I don't mind you using this thread. What a scary situation! Have you talked to the rescue? Ours had a behaviorist who advised us, maybe they have a similar person who could give you some ideas.
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Thanks Stef, it has been frightening and I don't scare easily. I just got off the phone with the rescue. We are going to give it three days. Based on what the experts that work with the rescue say, if Lulu doesn't tolerate him in three days she probably won't at all. Even though she was basically joined to her deceased packmate Maggie at the hip, it appears she isn't willing to accept anyone else even 7 months later. I would have never guessed that.

I sure don't want to put this little guy in danger. He's an awesome dog. To bad I already like him so much.
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Maybe try taking them both to neutral territory to play and bond for a few hours each day? Perhaps if they can play away from Lulu's property for an extended time each day, she'll come to accept the new packmate. I sure hope things settle down for them. Best of luck!
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i agree with cam...

IF they were fine originally at the shelter (on neutral ground)

try using neutral or multidog sites (like a kennel or training site)

IF you can eventually 'walk them together' then progress this behavior closer to home turf...

your old dog isn't gonna share the home turf easily but progressive adaption can work.

my vet often does this when a new adult dog is added,

he has folks board the dog at the training facility and take a class together...

then after they work together awhile the owners try a few minutes in the car,

when they tolerate each other in the car, they park a few blocks from home and walk in...

so another option is 'board' the new dog back at the shelter, and keep making visits (2-3x in the same day)

progressive adaptation takes a LOT of time and little bitty steps.

so good luck!

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Old 02-18-2008, 07:43 PM   #93
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You have a good idea, Cameron. I discussed this with the rescue also. Problem is, Dugan has a history of escaping even on lead and going missing for days when not completely bonded to a new owner. So they advised against it unless we try it at the rescue farm again. On their advice I'm even walking him within my fence on 20 ft. lead until he knows this is home.

2air, I think I'll try the car ride together using crates. It would be a small step, but you know what they say about a journey of a thousand miles ~ it would be a first single step. I'll try and work slowly from there.

Oh to be a dog whisperer and get inside these k9 brains!
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Is Lulu okay with Dugan in your yard? I sure do hope that they can get used to one another. It may take baby steps, but hopefully you'll see a bit of a change in the next few days...something to give a sign that everything will eventually be okay.
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No Cameron, unfortunately Lulu is NOT okay with Dugan in the yard, front or back. Not even with him in the driveway.

Many thanks everyone for the advice. We'll be off a baby-steppin' tomorrow and give it every chance to work out.
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Edited to add: Or so I thought. The site won't let me give karma to you
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Edited to add: Or so I thought. The site won't let me give karma to you
I cannot either Sugarfoot - so Karma here instead.

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We had a similar issue with our dog and a visiting dog. Our solution (it's a little late for you now) was to take them both out to a prak (neutral territory) and let them get acquainted. then we brought them back to the house, and made them both go through the front door at the same time. Not a nose or paw on either of them got in first.
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