New f 150 diesel

[labans]

Sorry about that---I fat-fingered the number.
Here are the numbers directly off the factory chart:
With a 3:55 rear axle: Payload is 4090 Curb Wt is 6407 and Tow Weight is 9450 GCWR is 16000 GVWR is 10500 GAWR (rear axle spring cap) is 7500 but mine is upgraded to 8500 Driver Gross Weight is 189
Hope this gives the clear picture. It is a 1 ton dually which yours must be also. And the bloody truck is 21 feet long which makes it no fun to use for a daily driver unless you are making your living with it. But as I said, it tows my trailer like it is not even there.

[labans]

Sailor Sam
I think you slightly misunderstand my line of thought here. What I am talking about is the fact that poster after poster after poster buys a 25' or larger trailer and then buys a 1/2 ton pickup to tow it, "because it can." I am commenting on safety and it is always best to have a TV that is larger as opposed to smaller. It will always be better and safer to have a TV with dual rear wheels. I'm not saying every one will do this and in fact 99% of the posters will continue to buy 1/2 ton trucks regardless if what I say. But if you think about it there is NO full size truck smaller than a 1/2 ton! So folks are buying the absolute least amount of full size truck available. Thats all. No big deal. Just my opinion. I still want as much truck as I can reasonably get to tow my 31' trailer because I am very sensitive about safety issues.

[VernDiesel]

Safety & stability is in loading & hitching concretely determinable at the scales with Mfgr specs. Most importantly with steer & drive weight and TW percentage. Also to a much lesser degree with CVWR, GVWR, & receiver rating. As least as far as basic TV components. The rest is in learning to drive it with sense. The Payload sticker is to help estimate acceptable bed loads and including trailers small enough to not require a WDH when no scale is accessible.

People who estimate toward a payload have no idea how to concretely set up a safe tow rig. It only somewhat happens for them by chance & or being dramatically under the TVs safe limits wherein even with plum stupid set up it’s so light it still tows ok.

[RandyNH]

Originally Posted by labans

Sorry about that---I fat-fingered the number
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I was just poking at you, with your numbers, hopefully you didn't feel I was calling you out.

I agree with everything you think regarding safety and weights and being wagged.

Mine is '17 F350 non-dually that is actually over 22 feet long, diesel with a curb weight of 8,000lbs and a travel weight of 9,500. I traded in a GMC Sierra 1500 5.3L ½ ton after 1 year, feeling it did not have enough control over the load both up and down the grades.

While I agree that the lash up and setup is an important part, basic physics is too. I am not an engineer and do not desire to decide my and my wife's life, along with anyone else around me based on having everything set up and working correctly and perfectly, every single time, while I do try my best to do so, I prefer to have a "plum stupid" cushion in there too.

To the line of this thread, I would not waste my money on a 150 diesel, when the EcoBoost is more capable in every way except non towing mpg

[xisme2]

I am curious if anybody out there can post accurate first hand mileage figures for a 3.5 gas Ecoboost 150 pulling an AS TT around 750p lbs.

I sold mine before getting the Globetrotter, but pulling a small aluminum flat with an old Porsche (total trailer + load about 2500) my mileage dropped to about 10 to 12 if I kept it Under 70. Thanks.

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by xisme2

I am curious if anybody out there can post accurate first hand mileage figures for a 3.5 gas Ecoboost 150 pulling an AS TT around 750p lbs.

I sold mine before getting the Globetrotter, but pulling a small aluminum flat with an old Porsche (total trailer + load about 2500) my mileage dropped to about 10 to 12 if I kept it Under 70. Thanks.

Towing my Flying Cloud 26U (around 6800 lb travel weight, max gross of 7600) in the plains without a lot of wind I get about 11 running 68-70 in 8th. I find that I'd rather run 68 than chase pennies, so when the wind picks up and I keep driving 68 it's more like 10. It drinks like a sailor climbing a pass, but it'll climb in 6th and 7th (7th is direct) and keep up with traffic.

Dead-heading at Texas highway speeds (73-83) gets me around 20 if I don't jab the go-pedal in annoyance too often. This is with a '17 4WD Lariat Supercrew 5.5' box, 3.55:1 diff.

[DubleDeuce]

With that F-250 diesel you ain't gonna need to make ANY apologies about capacities or performance. Just hook it up, get in, and haul ass.

[DubleDeuce]

If the truck has NOT been monkeyed with, the GVWR is the number to watch. This number takes into account ALL factors of the vehicle towing/braking capacities as well as the engine as supplied with the unit. Having a large capacity axle and no cajohnies to pull the weight means a short lived engine or other drive line component.

[Martee]

Originally Posted by labans

It will always be better and safer to have a TV with dual rear wheels. I'm not saying every one will do this and in fact 99% of the posters will continue to buy 1/2 ton trucks regardless if what I say. But if you think about it there is NO full size truck smaller than a 1/2 ton! So folks are buying the absolute least amount of full size truck available. Thats all. No big deal. Just my opinion. I still want as much truck as I can reasonably get to tow my 31' trailer because I am very sensitive about safety issues.

The concept of a 1/2 ton truck is really a misnomer these days, and it is a pickup category continued over by sales departments from the 1980's.
In fact, Most of the 1/2 ton trucks on the market today, have payloads ranging between 1300 to 2500 lbs; and can tow up to a 27' Airstream.

That is why many knowledgable people, confidently believe some 1/2 ton truck models are quite capable and durable in safely towing their Airstream family trailer.

Not all tow vehicles are required to be a F350 Duel Wheel with a Propride P3 Hitch to tow a 27' Airstream trailer safely. Last year, I agonized for months whether I needed an F250 Tow Vehicle for my 25' FC or can a 1/2 ton Tundra do the job. After long study, I bought the Tundra.

[brick1]

Originally Posted by Martee

The concept of a 1/2 ton truck is really a misnomer these days, and it is a pickup category continued over by sales departments from the 1980's.
In fact, Most of the 1/2 ton trucks on the market today, have payloads ranging between 1300 to 2500 lbs; and can tow up to a 27' Airstream.

That is why many knowledgable people, confidently believe some 1/2 ton truck models are quite capable and durable in safely towing their Airstream family trailer.

Not all tow vehicles are required to be a F350 Duel Wheel with a Propride P3 Hitch to tow a 27' Airstream trailer safely. Last year, I agonized for months whether I needed an F250 Tow Vehicle for my 25' FC or can a 1/2 ton Tundra do the job. After long study, I bought the Tundra.

Note that an Airsyream “27” is actually 28 ft. And my Airstream 28 is shorter, at 27’11”.
Go figure...
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[Ridgerunner3]

I love my 2500 with gas engine as a tow vehicle for our AS but it sucks as a daily driver. Mine is a dedicated tow vehicle. If I needed it to be a daily driver, I would be shopping for the best setup 1500 I could find. You need to really test drive a 2500/3500 around town before you consider buying one that will have daily driver duty. They take a huge amount of area to turn around in. People back them into parking places because that is the easiest way to park one. Reading truck statistics really does not explain the difference of actually living with a 2500/3500 vs a 1500 as a daily driver.


What happened to the days when the 1/2 ton International Travelall or Suburban 1500 with relatively low torque engines, drum brakes, and manual transmission were considered a great tv for an Airstream. Now we think we need to be able to climb a mountain pass at the speed limit and stop a 9000 lb trailer with the truck brakes alone without any trailer sway. : )

[Uncle_Bert]

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

Towing my Flying Cloud 26U (around 6800 lb travel weight, max gross of 7600) in the plains without a lot of wind I get about 11 running 68-70 in 8th. I find that I'd rather run 68 than chase pennies, so when the wind picks up and I keep driving 68 it's more like 10. It drinks like a sailor climbing a pass, but it'll climb in 6th and 7th (7th is direct) and keep up with traffic.

Dead-heading at Texas highway speeds (73-83) gets me around 20 if I don't jab the go-pedal in annoyance too often. This is with a '17 4WD Lariat Supercrew 5.5' box, 3.55:1 diff.

My experience, so far (just bought my FC 23 CB in May 2018) is pretty similar. Towing from NJ to western PA, almost 400 miles, with my ‘17 XLT Supercrew Ecoboost 5.5 box I got 14 mpg, but the trailer was new and only about 75% loaded. Off the highway, on the hilly backroads of western PA, more like 11-12. Dead heading on several highway trips across PA, I get 23 mpg. The payload on the yellow sticker on my F150 is 1809 lbs.

[brick1]

Originally Posted by Martee

I was under the impression, that rated payload was inclusive of: tongue weight + cargo + passingers. So when the Ford Sticker shows rated payload capacity....includes TW.

Yup. Payload is anything and everything that you put in the truck, including tongue weight. It is very easy to exceed payload..
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[brick1]

Originally Posted by xisme2

That's interesting, I'm curious why they derated it. I know they went to a smaller fuel tank so they could run there mpg tests with less WT, I wonder if the payload is the same deal. When most people look at lighter pick-ups one of the first things they look for us mpg.

I assume Ford lowered the payload, because the Diesel engine weighs more.. Payload is different for each vehicle, and takes into consideration all options and accessories that are on the vehicle at time of manufacture. Anything added after manufacture is deducted from available payload.
The one constant is GVWR (Gross Vehicle Wright Rating). It is the sum of vehicle weight and payload.
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[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by Uncle_Bert

My experience, so far (just bought my FC 23 CB in May 2018) is pretty similar. Towing from NJ to western PA, almost 400 miles, with my ‘17 XLT Supercrew Ecoboost 5.5 box I got 14 mpg, but the trailer was new and only about 75% loaded. Off the highway, on the hilly backroads of western PA, more like 11-12. Dead heading on several highway trips across PA, I get 23 mpg. The payload on the yellow sticker on my F150 is 1809 lbs.

Guessing your truck is 2WD and your foot may be a little lighter than mine.

[xisme2]

Thanks, so it's getting about what mine did pulling the car. I found the trick was keeping my foot out of it. The Ecoboost has no problem pulling trailers!

[Uncle_Bert]

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

Guessing your truck is 2WD and your foot may be a little lighter than mine.

Actually, my truck is a 4x4, but I do have a light foot, and generally keep it in the 60-65 range. This is my first trailer, and I figure I should start out slow.

[Jack Moore]

Yea. A dually on a 27' is overkill. And an opportunity to knock some fenders off. The 3/4 and 1/2 tons are comfortable and maneuverable.

[xisme2]

You got that right. I see all these comments about buying 250's and figure the posters haven't lived everyday with a 250, particularly 4 wheel, in town. It's getting to the point that places like banks and other drive thru places have too tight a radius to get a 250 around. Forget the 350.

[sheriff1]

Originally Posted by xisme2

You got that right. I see all these comments about buying 250's and figure the posters haven't lived everyday with a 250, particularly 4 wheel, in town. It's getting to the point that places like banks and other drive thru places have too tight a radius to get a 250 around. Forget the 350.

4wd is no harder to drive around town, 250 is the same truck as the 350, 350 just has heavier springs. And yes, I use mine every day.
I believe the f150 is the same length as F250-F350 in the short bed crew cab is exactly 20’