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Old 04-14-2015, 11:34 AM   #43
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:55 PM   #44
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Mmm, the days of yore with sedans pulling Airstreams, and, well, Avions.

By the late 1980s the consumerification of full size pickup trucks was well under way (but extended cabs and crew cabs were still rare), and so the tow vehicles of choice for a tri-axle Avion would have been either a 3/4 ton truck or a 3/4 ton burb.

I would say that the Sedan Towing Era ended in 1973 with the Arab Oil Embargo, which cut RV sales and RV travel basically to zero, and by the time it got better, people used pickups and burbs.

The Sedan Towing Era was marked by a number of characteristics that make it undesirable to revisit.

1) Speeds were lower. Even though speed limits were the same or higher than today, the 1960s were an era when a much wider range of vehicle speeds would be tolerated and even expected compared to today. So you could, then, drive 45 or 50 mph and it was expected, because other traffic on the road was doing the same thing. The power train of sedans available up at least until the late 1960s was weak enough that todays's towing speeds were simply not possible.

2) There were, compared to today, more crashes and more fatalities. Overmatched sedans towing large trailers were just one more hazard, along with bias ply tires, reversible center lanes, single circuit brake systems, vacuum wipers, manual drum brakes, and 6v headlights. Standards have changed with the times.

3) While there were no doubt exceptions, in practice, most of the 34-35' and larger trailers were not hauled long distances. In the 1950s/1960s these trailers were more typically moved seasonally or kept in one place more or less permanently.

4) The full-size luxury sedans used for towing long trailers were closer in construction to a pickup than today's sedans are, and they were frequently modified further for towing.

5) There did exist heavier duty burb-like vehicles then. The 3/4 ton burb itself was available starting in the late 1960s, also the IH Travelall.

I admire AndyT's work from afar and don't mean to second guess it.

But, when someone implies that: because people towed with sedans in the 1960s, it must be ok to tow with a 1/2 ton pickup now -- then I become concerned that the facts have been thrown under the bus.
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Mmm, the days of yore with sedans pulling Airstreams, and, well, Avions.
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But, when someone implies that: because people towed with sedans in the 1960s, it must be ok to tow with a 1/2 ton pickup now -- then I become concerned that the facts have been thrown under the bus.
Hear,hear!
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Mmm, the days of yore with sedans pulling Airstreams, and, well, Avions.

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But, when someone implies that: because people towed with sedans in the 1960s, it must be ok to tow with a 1/2 ton pickup now -- then I become concerned that the facts have been thrown under the bus.
HIP HIP! Horaaaay! Well said Jammer.
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Mmm, the days of yore with sedans pulling Airstreams, and, well, Avions.

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But, when someone implies that: because people towed with sedans in the 1960s, it must be ok to tow with a 1/2 ton pickup now -- then I become concerned that the facts have been thrown under the bus.

Very informative post. Thank you
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can you hit 55 mph with that Ford 3000?
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It's a 4000.
No, not 55. About 15 though.

It's interesting that Airstream would have a photo/drawing of a big GM wagon on the cover of my 75 owners manual if they didn't think it would do the job.
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I saw an Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser wagon at a used car lot and thought, "Hmm..."


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With the right suspension stuff on it to help level it out, I'd try it. Those old cars certainly had the beef under the hood and the frames to handle it.
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How cool would that be?


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Here's a good example of too much trailer for the truck

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With the right suspension stuff on it to help level it out, I'd try it. Those old cars certainly had the beef under the hood and the frames to handle it.

A Slimp Wheel is an option.
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Andrew T, You test drove a competitors trailer supplied to you by a competing factory. AS had a vested interest in making the Avion appear inferior. the cheap as you call it, adjust a ride suspension us still going strong on mid eighties Avions. My 84 30p tows circles around every AS have ever owned,
Including the 25fb I recently sold. The AS bounced and jerked continually, no such problem with the Avions. I really like AS, have owned several, but credit must be given when credit use due.
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I'm pulling a 22' with an F-150 and have to admit if I were gonna do it all over I'd either have a smaller trailer or more powerful truck -- probably a more powerful truck. Just returned from an 850 mile trip south on route 285 from Denver into the Taos, New Mexico, area, across NM east on route 160, and then back north up I-25. Some of the climbs had me pushing 5,000 rpm and some of the downhills had me at 5,500 rpm. That truck did some struggling, although I averaged slightly over 13 mpg. The truck did okay, but I felt like I was abusing it at times. I had no water in the trailer, and maybe only 300 lbs of gear, but I probably had about 800 lbs in the truck counting passengers and equalizer hitch. Does this sound normal, I hope?

Hi, your F-150 5.0 L engine should be plenty for your trailer. Unlike my Lincoln and my Ecoboost, your 5.0 gets it's torque at a much higher RPM, so just let it rev.
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The tandem axle Avions pulled better than the three axle trailers. They used leaf springs with the axles attached in the center with an eye and allowed them to swing up and down and that's where they got their claim to independent suspension.

The problem with the three axle setup was the center axle's leaf spring was mounted with shackles both at the rear and the front of the spring. This allowed the axle to sort of find it's own angle to run. On smooth pavement, this was not a problem, but hit a series of bumps, or hit the brakes, and those center axles did all sorts of goofy things.
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Andrew T, You test drove a competitors trailer supplied to you by a competing factory. AS had a vested interest in making the Avion appear inferior. the cheap as you call it, adjust a ride suspension us still going strong on mid eighties Avions. My 84 30p tows circles around every AS have ever owned,
Including the 25fb I recently sold. The AS bounced and jerked continually, no such problem with the Avions. I really like AS, have owned several, but credit must be given when credit use due.
Agreed, 100%! IMHO, Avion made a superior product. List price has nothing to do with product quality.

I'll stick with our 1987 34W, "cheap" axle setup and all. (Sure works good!) I decided on the 1987 model because of the "cheap" axle setup, as opposed to the rubber follow-on.
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