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Old 08-17-2015, 01:53 PM   #15
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I own an LX470. Last year, before we bought our 27' airstream, I went through a similar scenario. Both my wife and I felt the 25' was too small to live out of for long trips but the tow spec's for the LX470 clearly show it was not designed to tow a loaded 27' airstream and that is what we wanted to buy. The two axles on the airstream trailers will carry more than 6500# and that is the max weight for what my LX470 will pull. We live in Colorado so we also have the mountains to deal with it so the LX was ruled out as tow vehicle for any AS over 25'. I hated to do it be we bit the bullet and bought a 3/4 ton Ram 2500 diesel. I have waited a year to make the final decision to sell the LX470 but I am going to sell it because as long as I need to pull over 6500# I can not justify both it and the truck. Pulling a 30' trailer with your land cruiser for a short distance will probably be okay even though you are exceeding the towing capacity. But for long hauls the transmission will probably overheat. So as painful as it is I recommend either budget for a 30' and another truck or live with the smaller airstream and pull it with your land cruiser.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:57 PM   #16
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. This is a picture of me moving from a 2013 Int'l 25FB into a 2015 30FB Bunk. My kids are 6 & 9. My guess is you'd have no regrets going with the Bunkhouse.

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Thanks, Spamcan! May I ask what tow vehicle you use? Am curious if you had to upgrade the TV too along with the AS or if you already had one stout enough to pull the 30'.

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Old 08-17-2015, 02:22 PM   #17
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Sorry for recent hijack attempt earlier. I hate when folks do that.

Forgot what thread I was in. Literally.

Told you our issues were similar. Hah.



Regarding towing with SUV, my line in sand...

after talking with, PMing, reading old threads, and comparing 100's of opinions. Successes and failures given equal thought. Unbiased. If buying 27' AS I was willing (am willing) to buy SUV, expedition or navigator being most capable unfortunately.

But if buying 30' AS, which seems logical with infant, toddler, and German shepherd, I will buy order a 2016 Ram 2500 limited mega cab.

I don't want either. I want a new Escalade to replace the one that saved my life two years back. Or a new Suburban, a nice upgrade to my current (and a former) Tahoe.

But picking out a tow vehicle is about compromises. Remember that. It's the first thing I was told here and is a fact.

Good luck and enjoy the search.


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Old 08-17-2015, 02:24 PM   #18
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Hello all,

My wife and I are strongly considering six months of full-timing in order to take a trip out West to hit up various national parks before our older daughter starts kindergarten.
Can your LC pull either trailer, sure. Just go in with Eyes Open. Lot's of big hills out here in the West. I tow with a Tundra and it works as long as you take your time, especially on the descents. One really needs to get ahead of the game and downshift prior to starting the downhill and keeping your speed < 40 MPH.

So, if you don't mind life in the slow lane, you will have no problems on even the steepest grades. But, if you like to keep up with traffic, you will be in for a roller coaster ride.

As far as payload, dkottom has the right idea. Careful packing will keep you within weights. But, it requires effort; leaving some stuff behind and trial and error on where to put things with a trip to the scales. Two adults, two kids, and possibly six months on the road, only you can decide how much "stuff" you need/want to bring along.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:42 PM   #19
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May I ask what tow vehicle you use? Am curious if you had to upgrade the TV too along with the AS or if you already had one stout enough to pull the 30'.
My dilemmas ran quite parallel to yours. Before I bought the first AS, my tow vehicle (for a tent trailer) was a BMW X5 diesel. I desperately wanted to make the X5 work as a TV for the 25FB, but after much reflection and forum post reading, I felt the X5 was just a little too far outside of my comfort zone for towing an Airstream.

So I traded in the X5 for a 2013 F-150 EcoBoost with the Max Tow package, and felt that was a very capable TV for the 25FB. (I use an Equil-I-Zer hitch, BTW.)

When I bought the 30FB, I was worried that I was getting "marginal" again in the TV department, but experience thus far has proven the F-150 EB to be a comfortable and competent TV for the 30' AS. This includes a fair amount of "hot, heavy and high" towing around the western states.

For the sake of completeness of this discussion, I made a couple of small modifications to the F-150 to improve its towing capabilities, which included upgrading to LT tires, and adding a set of Roadmaster Active Suspension helper springs. Both were worthy upgrades.

Given the similarity of our circumstances, I'd be happy to discuss any/all of this by phone if you'd like. PM me for contact info.
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Old 08-17-2015, 04:57 PM   #20
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Love the Roadmaster Active Suspension. Sway bars, Bilstien shocks, all a no brainier. Makes night and day difference in towing.
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Old 08-17-2015, 05:01 PM   #21
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I don't know the details of your Land Cruiser's tow ratings but I have a 2014 FC25FB Twin with solar. It came off the line in Jackson Center with a 925 lb. tongue weight. The specifications for this unit mention a 1,000 max tongue weight, which is essentially impossible if it is to be lived in. I was is Jackson Center this spring for warranty work and had it weighed with its lived in load. Its tongue weight was 1,252 lbs.

I'm towing with a 2013 Ecoboost F150. It handles the weight easily from a power standpoint but getting within its 4050 drive axle weight rating requires serious weight redistribution. I'm using a Blue Ox with 1,500 lb bars. My truck has both max tow and max payload options.

A friend has a 2015 FC25FrontB Twin, without Solar his loaded tongue weight is 800 lbs. He's towing with a 2012 BMW X5d with Eas-Lift, 1200 lb. bars, and loving it.

As far as space is concerned, if I were you I would get the 30. Making up and tearing down beds in a 25 every day would be a serious drag. But then I'm pretty sure you would need/want a 3/4 ton with diesel.
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I meant to say that my friend has a 2015 FC25RearB Twin without solar.
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Old 08-17-2015, 06:38 PM   #23
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I own an LX470. Last year, before we bought our 27' airstream, I went through a similar scenario. Both my wife and I felt the 25' was too small to live out of for long trips but the tow spec's for the LX470 clearly show it was not designed to tow a loaded 27' airstream and that is what we wanted to buy. The two axles on the airstream trailers will carry more than 6500# and that is the max weight for what my LX470 will pull. We live in Colorado so we also have the mountains to deal with it so the LX was ruled out as tow vehicle for any AS over 25'. I hated to do it be we bit the bullet and bought a 3/4 ton Ram 2500 diesel. I have waited a year to make the final decision to sell the LX470 but I am going to sell it because as long as I need to pull over 6500# I can not justify both it and the truck. Pulling a 30' trailer with your land cruiser for a short distance will probably be okay even though you are exceeding the towing capacity. But for long hauls the transmission will probably overheat. So as painful as it is I recommend either budget for a 30' and another truck or live with the smaller airstream and pull it with your land cruiser.

The OP has a current generation Land Cruiser with a 5.7 iForce 381 horsepower 401 ft. lbs. of torque with a 6 speed transmission with cooler and its own temperature gauge-
His problem ain't motor or transmission-
The problem is payload- or lack thereof-
The Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, and Lexus LX 570 have the same engine and transmission, but the Tundra has a solid rear axle vs. the SUV's have independent rear suspension and are heavier- less payload than a Tundra which is marginal/barely enough by the numbers but performs beautifully in real life.


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Old 08-17-2015, 06:53 PM   #24
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My sister in law has a Sequoia and pulls a 19' SOB. It really struggles.
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Current generation Sequoia (2008-2015)? Seems like it would pull that little trailer like it ain't even there.
My Tundra has no problem towing a 30'.
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Yes, new Sequoia but I don't know what she has for drivetrain or tow package. I would imagine the Tundra has more beef?
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Tundra 5.7 and new Sequoia have the same beef, unlikely for either to struggle with a 19' SOB. Unless it's not a power issue but a trailer stability issue. Sequoia has a shorter wheelbase than Tundra, entirely manageable with the right w.d. hitch.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:17 AM   #28
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We started out in 2012 with a 25FB Twin towed with a 2012 GMC Denali HD with Reese Dual Cam. Moved to a 2014 ML350 Bluetec with the same Reese Dual Cam. This is the ultimate combination if you are never required to pull long steep grades like we do constantly in CO. Sold the 2012 25FB and bought a 2015 30' Bunk with dual air and full awning package and quickly went to a ProPride. Bought a 2015 fully loaded Chevrolet LTZ 2500 HD and still use the ProPride. We absolutely love the 30' Bunk and even given the expense of our follies to get there I would do it again. Unfortunately for us the Bunk was not available in 2012, however you have the benefit of starting out with a Bunk. You can fill in the blanks or I am happy to discuss. Feel free to PM me and we can chat.
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