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hhendrix · 04-08-2018, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne&Sam

In his post he seems contrite. Let's see if he follows through on his pledges. I hope he does.

Oh I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm so stupid. Oh, I take responsibility. Oh what a terrible thing I did. Oh I've learned from my mistake, yada, yada, blah, blah.

Missing from the so called apology: "Damn, I should asked the kids to change the license plates before we started our defacing of a national monument". What a crock of .........

DPRoberts · 04-08-2018, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hhendrix

Oh I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm so stupid. Oh, I take responsibility. Oh what a terrible thing I did. Oh I've learned from my mistake, yada, yada, blah, blah.

Missing from the so called apology: "Damn, I should asked the kids to change the license plates before we started our defacing of a national monument". What a crock of .........

Exactly! The lesson we learned from Watergate is "it's not the crime, it's the cover up."

Anderson's apology simply says " I acted in the spur of the moment and did not stop to think about what I was doing."

From the accounts we've heard so far, people did ask him to stop, but he refused. He then switched his license plates in an attempt to cover his tracks.

If he would have stopped carving when someone told him what an idiot he was being, and apologized for the half-carved image, then I'd accept his apology. But the fact that he's still not telling the whole truth shows that he's still in spin mode. This is not an apology, this is a cover up.

I'm not in the market for a hitch, but if I was I wouldn't buy an Andersen (or an Anderson, just to cover all the bases

). One less sale isn't going to cause anybody at Andersen to lose their job. But if enough people stopped buying Andersen products that it started to affect the company, it's still up to Andersen (and anyone else in company leadership) to figure out how to deal with it. He could start laying people off, but he could also leave the company - sell his shares to a sibling, or whatever. I'll boycott his products until I feel they're dealing with the situation appropriately, and leave the company management up to them.

OTRA15 · 04-08-2018, 11:54 AM

The contrite couple as pictured on their apology letter.

What is wrong with this picture?

[See Posts #125/127]

MomcatA · 04-08-2018, 10:41 PM

Got our Camcos today. Actually think they might work better with our dual-axle than the Andersens.

Wayne&Sam · 04-09-2018, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OTRA15

The contrite couple as pictured on their apology letter.

What is wrong with this picture?

[See Posts #125/127]

I wasn't defending him with my "contrite" comment. I meant it more sarcastically- as in the let's see if he follows through with the promises.

Wayne&Sam · 04-09-2018, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mojo

I remember when a climber, heavily endorsed by Patagonia, climbed up on Delicate Arch in the NP. And Patagonia initially defended him. Have not set foot in one of their stores or gave them $1 since.

I'm not familiar with that story, but if Andersen did follow what Patagonia has done, that would be a good thing.

There are not many companies that do more for the environment than Patagonia.

OTRA15 · 04-09-2018, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne&Sam

I wasn't defending him with my "contrite" comment. I meant it more sarcastically- as in the let's see if he follows through with the promises.

Yes, I got your sarcasm at the time. The term "contrite" seemed like a good fulcrum on which to balance the photo IMO.

His follow-through will be important for sure.

Cheers,

Peter

switz · 04-09-2018, 08:29 AM

Photo of a happy couple pleased with their life..... No shame showing there.

r carl · 04-09-2018, 08:36 AM

Is the horse dead yet?

EarStreaming · 04-09-2018, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by r carl

Is the horse dead yet?

I just removed their leveling kit off my amazon list, now it's dead to me

SteveSueMac · 04-09-2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MomcatA

Got our Camcos today. Actually think they might work better with our dual-axle than the Andersens.

Ordered mine this weekend. Interested to see how they perform in terms of slippage/skidding. I never had that problem with the red ones though others have talked about adding studs to them to prevent that.

When you try them out - please let us know how they work! Thanks!

**Rocinante** · 04-09-2018, 09:42 AM

My new Camco ramps arrive today. Will be back with Rocinante on Friday, looking forward to trying them out.

This horse isn’t dead until the Andersens post a sincere apology, lose in court, make significant financial restitution, and do a ton of public service work in the National Parks and/or public lands.

streaminwild · 04-09-2018, 09:48 AM

Perfect penalty...Change the name to Anderson with a ''O'', and give the company to the employees. A financial blow to him, a win for the employees. I can think of many way to tell someone that I love them without defacing America. A wink with a smile, taking her out to the opera, a candlelit dinner at sunset, etc.etc. for starters. Maybe we should start a thread on expressing love with gestures for Mr A.

PKI · 04-09-2018, 10:19 AM

No, the win here is that this person has a life changing event. He needs to learn that defacing public land is not showing love for his family.

No, this horse is not dead. It will not be dead until it becomes a universal goal of all to protect our public lands.

No, there is no recognition of this event or a commitment to conservation of public lands on the andersen website. If you search apology, it comes up "No Results Found" so he has yet to do everything he can ..... not by any measure.

The elephant in the room is the 2016 "andersen" damage. While there may be no proof he did it, his action linked him to the area. Either he picked the wrong place or he was proliferating a prior practice. Public opinion will be the jury.

No, not done yet. Pat

Boxite · 04-09-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill M.

Do not much like the idea of "make an example" of someone as a deterrent. Justice is supposed to be "equal" and to fit the crime. The deterrent is supposed to be the certainty that you will be caught and punished. Not the idea that if you are prominent the punishment will be outrageous because of that.

It is a big leap to just assume he wrote the big Anderson.

...AndersEn....

It's not such a big leap to my thinking. How many people named AndersEn deface BLM landmarks. If he got away with it nearby previously... what's to stop a repeat? A Happy-Couple apology and the wealth to hire a high-profile lawyer?

(If your horse is dead...you can quit reading ...err...riding him anytime you wish...)

**GCinSC2** · 04-09-2018, 10:53 AM

What happened has been discussed effectively by many others.

But I’d add a simple observation of campground abuse by untold numbers.

Hacking up live trees with hand axes.

I just returned from a local SP and the amount of damage to trees was extreme.

Gary

SteveSueMac · 04-09-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PKI

No, the win here is that this person has a life changing event. He needs to learn that defacing public land is not showing love for his family.

No, this horse is not dead. It will not be dead until it becomes a universal goal of all to protect our public lands.

No, there is no recognition of this event or a commitment to conservation of public lands on the andersen website. If you search apology, it comes up "No Results Found" so he has yet to do everything he can ..... not by any measure.

The elephant in the room is the 2016 "andersen" damage. While there may be no proof he did it, his action linked him to the area. Either he picked the wrong place or he was proliferating a prior practice. Public opinion will be the jury.

No, not done yet. Pat

On his "apology page", he asks for input on how he can make things better. One thing (among several) I suggested is that if he is in any way associated with the other "Andersen" carving he needs to own up to that immediately. He will have no credibility in his apology if that is his doing and he waits for the world to discover it rather than fess up now and start the restoration, reparation and education campaign.

I've still heard nothing back from my emails to the company or my posting to his "apology page".

My recycles come for pick up on Wednesday - they'll include the red levelers whether I hear from Andersen or not.

PKI · 04-09-2018, 11:14 AM

Yes, it is everywhere and worth adding to the discussion. When is it OK to mark a tree, feature, or rock? Well never, but there is an advertisement video promoting the value of such by bringing home the couple's heart inscribed tree from a years earlier defacement. There is also a restaurant bar that encourages customers to carve their initials into the tables. Good folks bring their kids to do the deed. Even George Washington chopped down the cherry tree. The cause and effect is everywhere, including toilets. Lots of splaining to do. Lots of campfire instruction needed. The little things do matter. Make a difference every day. Pat

PKI · 04-09-2018, 11:22 AM

Suggest you brand the levelers with his deface and a circle slash to show it's wrong. Then lay them on the ground next to your appropriately leveled trailer. When folks ask why you are not using them, you can spread the story of a misguided child. We all have work to do here. Pat

Boxite · 04-09-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PKI

... Even George Washington chopped down the cherry tree. ... Pat

Whaaattt...??? Ryan Andersen is now being lionized with a Founding Father?

Welll...then you should tell the WHOLE truth... he didn't chop down a cherry tree. He defaced his father's cherry tree with a gifted hatchet (according to the myth.) The REST of the Story??>... George Washingoton had wooden teeth because his father knocked all his natural teeth out after that cherry tree incident!