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Old 08-09-2008, 09:21 PM   #1
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Plan Ideas for comment

I started out asking about the potential for developing a spec custom renovation business on this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f348...key-43873.html

I thought I might get more input here.

Here is the first of a few plan ideas I have been playing with. I'll have the others up shortly. It is based around a 26' trailer. This idea sort of started the concept of putting together projects as specs. I was looking to build one as an office, living area. I welcome your thoughts.
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:26 PM   #2
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I like it. I can see the Rat Pack sitting in the booth in front. Maybe even an oval table.

Don't forget the windows and wheel wells in your bulkhead placement.
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:45 PM   #3
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Very cool- although you will find few high end clients willing to pay top dollar will even consider a wet bath. Wheel wells and windows are important because those are things you have to work around when using a vintage unit. Look through Airstream Archives to take inspiration from all models and years and blend floorplans together- thats what we do.
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:29 PM   #4
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I like it too... I would also consider making a side view so one can see overhead storage. My first reaction to your plan, is it is nice ~ but where is the storage?

A interesting thread would be to ask folks how their floor plans differ from the "original"... might get good ideas!

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Old 08-10-2008, 01:04 AM   #5
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Ok, so I'm the desenting voice. I have problems with the whole thing from bed to wet bath to desk to booth seating to round corners on everything. I'll start with scale, things don't seem to be drawn to scale. A short queen bed is 60x75. Round cornered mattresses are very difficult to come by so this one will have to be custom
made of foam. Three cornered beds are almost impossible to make, and be assured the person sleeping in the most aft position is going to hate crawling over to get in and out. Better to have a pedistal queen with access around 3 sides. A wet bath is a big turn off. Lose the sink and make a step in shower. If you want a sink, you can put one accessed from the hall for brushing teeth, hand washing, etc. The commode is going to have a hard time getting the drain pipe to the black water tank and miss the wheel well. A desk is very optional. You could easily put a swing out support for a laptop in lieu of dedicating a whole bunch of space to a desk. Comfortable evening seating is essential. Booth seating is OK for meals, but is miserably uncomfortable for evenings and rainy days, especially while watching TV. I kept a decent RV only 3 months after discovering I was miserable in the evening because I couldn't get comfortable while watching evening TV after dinner. The amount of seating at the booth doesn't seem to be proportional to the number occupents. Better to make room for some seriously comfortable recliners, and anticipate fewer people. The number of occupants is a good place to start when developing the floor plan. The wardrobe is fine as is the nightstand. The kitchen is ok except for the refrigerator goes all the way to the floor (you've backed it up to a wheel well) plus service access to the frig is from the exterior at floor level. In a 26 footer, you want easy access to everything and luxury. In my opinion this floor plan may be luxurious but it's style over substance. It reminds me more of a 20 footer floor plan. Getting things to real world scale will help. This plan is a good exercise to learn the various requirements so I expect the next edition will solve a lot more problems.

These are only my opinions based on the way I use my own 25 footer. Others may have different priorities and think it is great.

If you want to see how a pedistal queen can work, or comfortable seating, or spaciousness, check out my photos, (I even show a fold down computer desk): http://www.airforums.com/photos/brow...00&userid=3264
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Some of the things you will need to come to grips with is: "what items are need to be "off the shelf" and what items are custom. To be cost effective, you're going to want to use as many off the shelf items as possible, such as Select Comfort short queen mattress (comfort and light weight), shower stall, appliances, vent hoods, most light fixtures, etc. Also, curved corners for walls are "trendy" but how are you going to make them? perhaps you have a bending press which can make them. If that is the case, then all radii need to be the same so you can reuse the same jig over and over. One thing is for sure, it will be time consuming because you can't cut it on a table saw. Using the same radii will also help when it comes to making shelves, etc. which back up to these curved wall segments. You will be able to use the same templates to mark and cut each item. Just some thoughts on "how to" make it happen.
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Vaughan - this is a very generic exploration, no question the shell structure will influence some refinement.

3streams - I agree with the wet bath issue. This started as a design for my personal use. After long stretches on sail boats, the wet bath and the bed layout did not concern me. I do acknowledge I am probably in the minority.

CaddyGrn - This was the first of a few ideas I have been toying with. I will throw up some more soon. I do have 3d models coming together. The one for this layout is almost there. That should help for the interior view.

Bob - Thanks for the critique. Scale should be good. Bed is 60x75+. Wrap around seating appears a little shy in seat depth by a couple of inches. I had corrected this in my 3d model but forgot this early layout had that off. Again, this plan was really started for my use as a mobile living, work space. All your input applies just the same. Knowing how others will perceive some of my ideas is what this is about. Thanks for all the input.
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Here is another one to chew on.

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Hello again,

In your plans ~ you might put in a description of things that are important to you for your lifestyle. For example. The baths in both layouts are nice and appear pretty big to me! (Remember, I have a 63 Bambi...) I would make the bath as small as possible to give more room to actual living area. If one is camped in a full service RV park, most of the nicer ones have roomy private showers and oodles more hot water.... if you are planning on living in it... then you might want more room!

I liked the curved sink in your first drawing... I have seen some folks who have done something similar in their A/S and it is very nice for the cook. We have planned something somewhat similar in the 1955 Flying Cloud for the sink.

Where will your heating, etc. be placed?

Keep the ideas coming. Interesting.

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I liked the big desk and room for your laptop in the first model. I lived and worked for a year in a 5th wheel, and we had a make shift desk for my computer, having the space for my computer was a prime factor for me.

As for watching TV... I watch TV at home... when I go camping TV isn't usually in the plans.... occasionally we put in a DVD and watch a movie on our laptop...

If you plan on using or traveling a good distance, then good storage is vital.
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Plan 1.2

Taking into consideration the comments, I thought I would massage the plans before presenting other ideas.

The bath in both cases was in-line with AS European models for a full dry bath, so I got rid of the wet bath completely. made the seating more accommodating and clarified and added storage.

Bob-no luck with the walk around bed, Plan 2 revision should be able to have that option.

I would love to hear peoples opinions on a walk around bed. I am getting the sense that it is a very desirable feature even if you give up more useful living area.
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:43 PM   #11
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I would love to hear peoples opinions on a walk around bed. I am getting the sense that it is a very desirable feature even if you give up more useful living area.
Showing is better than telling. Go to a local airstream dealer, take two flat sheets and some sheet garters for the corners. Make the bed in a corner bed unit! those have access from two sides. It's a sweaty time consuming chore for a task that should take 5 minutes. Perhaps if you could come up with a COMFORTABLE mattress that folded up on the ends so you could get the sheets tucked in.

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I like the creativity, but...

One other consideration is the location of windows...looks to me there might be windows in the areas shown with "full-height storage". Do you have a specific trailer in mind for a "donor shell"?

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Plan 2.2

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Inside Out - Yes I agree, would have to work around the side window in the back
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