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Old 12-25-2014, 01:14 PM   #1
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I have just ordered a 2015 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel Crew Cab. My wife likes the 30' Flying Cloud? Is this enough truck?
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Old 12-25-2014, 01:22 PM   #2
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Probably enough to tow the trailer, but probably not enough payload to carry the tongue load and whatever else you normally carry.

A while back I ran all the numbers on all the 1/2 tons trying to find one in the extended cab version I could tow a 30' with, and I kept coming up empty handed. You can go over the weight limit a little, but I wouldn't do it by much, or for very long.

I suggest you take a look at the GVWR of the truck, add all the weight you expect to carry in the truck routinely, add the weight of a weight distribution hitch, and about 3/4 of the trailer's tongue weight to the curb weight of the truck, and see where you are.

With the late model trailers, it seems like anything over a 25' is pushing it with respect to weight with a 1/2 ton.

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Old 12-25-2014, 03:58 PM   #3
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I have just ordered a 2015 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel Crew Cab. My wife likes the 30' Flying Cloud? Is this enough truck?
Yes. Plenty.

You may want to add load range E tires when the OEMs wear out.

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Old 12-25-2014, 04:10 PM   #4
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OP, in case you have not gone to the Dodge web site,
Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart
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Old 12-25-2014, 04:20 PM   #5
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Here are some reference data for you.

Ram truck towing and payload: Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart

2015 Airstream FC 30 specs and weights: Flying Cloud Floor Plans & Specifications - Airstream

To these weights you will need to add anything you plan to carry in the truck, such as yourself, other passengers, tools, camping supplies such as generator, fuel, or wood, chairs, tables, etc. Also add the payload of the truck the weight of the weight distribution hitch, and if you choose to use one, a truck bed cover, or camper shell.

Now you have all the specs, and weights, so I'm sure you can do the math.
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My math says no. The payload for the Quadcab eco-diesel is really low, like 1500 lbs. Let's say you and the missus are a combined weight of 300 labs fully outfitted. And say you've got another 150 lbs or so of "stuff" to haul with you. Plus gas and fluids (add another 150 lbs). Leaves you with 900 lbs of payload capacity. Now, subtract the weight of the hitch mount. That leaves you at or under capacity for everything from a 25ft AS on up, which average over 800 lbs for hitch weight. True, a weight distribution hitch will be shifting those numbers in your favor, but without it, you're pushing it.

Adding other passengers, gear for the truck, etc and you are easily overtaxed IMHO.

One thing about the 1500 series vs. the larger HD models like the 2500 are things like beefier transmissions, better cooling, better brakes, heavier duty frame, the kinds of things you don't want to have to worry about when hauling a 30' trailer up mountain passes. For flat land, no worries, but you'll soon feel the difference when the terrain gets more vertical.

I haul the 28' trailer, which has a high hitch weight. The 2500 is splendid. I would consider a Hemi engines model to save money, but I wouldn't consider using a 1/2 truck, with or without the ecodiesel.

A dozen or more other people here will tell you they tow just fine with a 1/2 ton truck like a Tundra or an F150, so you have to come to your own decisions. I usually have three other passengers, a dog, and frequently some dirt bikes, so for me, I don't really want to be over capacity.
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I'm with Lara me and the above posting which encourage you to do the math *and allow some margin for safety and error*; it's... why we went from 1/2 to 3/4 ... just saying; YMMV
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Not even close. Maybe a Bamb or a little bigger. Look for a one ton dually diesel. That will work.
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I tow my 6,500 lb 30' trailer with a half ton no problem.

Additionally, it is my opinion that a WD hitch will take some weight off of the truck.


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The question should be "should I tow a 30 FC with a 1/2 ton", not can a 1/2 ton tow a 30 FC". The answer to the second is yes it can, the answer (in my opinion) to the first is no.

The main reason is payload capacity as stated. The Ram simply does not have it, the hitch weight on the 2015 FC is listed at about 880 pounds, that is more than have the payload of the Ram. Add anything in the bed, you and your wife in the cab and you are over. The OEM tires are probably D rated and not E, which you will need to consider as well.

I've been through all this, started with 1/2 Ton, went to 3/4 Ton, which was enough now run a 1 Ton. I am adding a larger fuel tank, etc and in my case always want to be on the heavy side of the question with two vehicles instead of on the light side. Your wife has great taste - this is our second 30' FC and we absolutely love it, this time we ordered with front recliners instead of the couch.

Best of luck, I would imagine your Dodge dealer will allow you to switch trucks with the deposit you probably had to put down and if so I would switch to the 3/4 with the Cummins
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Good grief. We scare people off all this time here on this topic. This truck is more than capable! A quad cab Ram 1500 with the diesel has 1,600 lbs payload capacity and tow rating of 8,000 lbs.

Much of that Airstream's 800lb tonque weight is distributed off the rear axle to the front axle and to the trailer axle anyway. Even it did not, the 800lbs of remaining cargo is more than enough. And then even if it wasn't enough , E-load range tires would add plenty of extra cargo capacity.
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[QUOTE=Wayward;1558570]Good grief. We scare people off all this time here on this topic. This truck is more than capable! A quad cab Ram 1500 with the diesel has 1,600 lbs payload capacity and tow rating of 8,000 lbs.

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Wayward, If you go to this page: Ram Trucks - Towing Capacity Chart and then click on the bottom where it says more options, then click on the SLT with the 3.0 Diesel engine, you will see the truck is rated to tow 8050lbs., OR carry 1464lbs.

If you then click on "OPEN TOWING & PAYLOAD CALCULATOR", you will see if you load the truck with the max payload of 1464, they say the towing goes down to 6586lbs. Or if you slide the scale on the calculator to minimum payload of the driver only calculated at 150lbs., THEN you get the max towing of 8050lbs.

So, what Ram is saying is it will haul 1464lbs., OR tow 8050lbs., but not at the same time. Then if you use the slide scale calculator that Ram provides, and load the truck with 1000lbs., (probably a typical load of people, camping supplies, hitch, and tongue weight) the towing capacity goes down by that 1000lbs., to roughly 7000lbs.

Also, I looked at most all the 1/2 ton trucks and every one I looked at came with "XL" P metric radial tires.

Bottom line is, yes you could tow the 30FC with the truck, but to be within manufacturer's specs, that's all you could do with it, i.e. you couldn't haul much at all at the same time.

I would do it in flat country, on limited short trips, after I changed the tires to at least "D" rated LT tires. This is less than what I wanted a truck for, but others may have different opinions.
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Bottom line is, yes you could tow the 30FC with the truck, but to be within manufacturer's specs, that's all you could do with it, i.e. you couldn't haul much at all at the same time.
Right. But by clicking on other 1/2 ton models it looks like tires and gearing are the primary factors there - both of which can be changed to give an extra margin of safety.

For example....... the factory spec'd towing capacity on my base model 1/2 ton truck is only 2000lbs while other models that year went as high as 8800lbs. I found the primary differences were transmission gear ratios, axle ratios and tires. I changed the gearing and tires, and have no issues towing the Airstream whatsoever.

Jumping to a 3/4 ton truck for a few hundred pounds more payload is not something a lot of people want or need to do.
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Right. But by clicking on other 1/2 ton models it looks like tires and gearing are the primary factors there - both of which can be changed to give an extra margin of safety.

For example....... the factory spec'd towing capacity on my 1/2 ton truck is only 2000lbs while other models that year went as high as 8800lbs. I found the primary differences were transmission gear ratios, axle ratios and tires. I changed the gearing and tires and have no issues towing the Airstream whatsoever.

Jumping to a 3/4 ton truck for a few hundred pounds more payload is not something a lot of people want or need to do.
I think if you check the "other models" in the charts, they are the lighter bodied models, and so have a heavier payload.

I do not argue that "Jumping to a 3/4 ton truck for a few hundred pounds more payload is not something a lot of people want or need to do" is not true, I just want everyone to know exactly what they are getting into.

I would also like to tow with a 1/2 ton truck because they are more pleasant to drive, and more economical, but with the load I have, and the distances and time we like to spend in the trailer, it just won't work. It may for others, but they need to know the specifics of the matter before they spend their money.

We all have either experienced it, or have read about people here that have bought either too much trailer for their tow vehicle, or too little tow vehicle for their trailer, have been unhappy with the rig, and so either quit, or had to spend additional money to change to a more capable tow vehicle.
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