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Old 05-16-2016, 04:55 PM   #799
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Wife says "Boy that is ugly!" My work is done here. Mic drop. Pat
Just remember that taste is subjective.

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Old 05-16-2016, 05:06 PM   #800
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Yeah a bunch of people on my fb were giving positive or interested comments - for whatever that is worth

I find it attractive - but I did not get uhhh - fiberglassitis from it

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Old 05-16-2016, 05:49 PM   #801
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I suspect there will be significant development work from the prototype to the first one out of the plant at JC. From what I've read about the process thus far, there was a fair amount of pushback to what as a $35K price point. Since Airstream will "dump" the original holding tank toilet (no pun intended) for one with a black tank that will have a price impact. Hanging a bunch of tanks under it would look awful and interfere with its great clearance design (and 16" wheels/tires). Intuition tells me there are people out there who don't want an SOB with "wood-like" interiors that dissolve with a trickle of water dripping through a rubber membraned roof. And, that'll last for more than a few years before falling apart. Price point is going to be a huge factor. But, I also believe that this has the potential to widen Airstream's market. It also gives their dealers an entry level trailer to the Airstream market that they don't have now and which is significantly different than anything else that they have on their lots. At one point, Johans was pointed toward customizing the top half to the color of your tow vehicle. Can you imagine Airstream EVER being that flexible?
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:03 PM   #802
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Wife says "Boy that is ugly!" My work is done here. Mic drop. Pat
All you have to do is convince her that, like an English Bulldog, it's "so ugly it's cute."
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:06 PM   #803
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Why Nest.

This product exists for the same reason the CCD International trailers existed. The core boomer demographic in the RV marketplace is in danger of die-off and as stated here the price direct and indirect of a large full size new Airstream trailer is out of this world. Full size airstream + Full size truck is out = out of reach for aspirational buyers.

The modern laminate wilsonart interiors, in bambi and mid size, bought them 15 years of relevance when they offered a non colonial williamsburg interior, but now they're reaching the limit of what they can do with rebranding(swiss army, eddie bauer,pendleton(free blankets and toaster) and moving the furniture around. Meanwhile the base model MSRP has crept over $45kUSD.

Airstream *needs* an entry product at this price range for the long-weekender crowd with a regular SUV, 6 cylinder car. Regular, interested people in their 20s,30s and 40s come here and get turned away because they're told they need to spend 100k on a heavy duty tow vehicle and airstream, or go enroll in trade school to acquire the skills to fix an old one up to the point it won't tear in half on the highway.
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Old 05-16-2016, 09:07 PM   #804
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Am I correct that none of the current fiberglass 'eggs' have a dealer network? Would that be an incentive to buy a 'Airstream Nest' over one of the other offerings?
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:36 PM   #805
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Am I correct that none of the current fiberglass 'eggs' have a dealer network? Would that be an incentive to buy a 'Airstream Nest' over one of the other offerings?
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Old 05-17-2016, 02:46 AM   #806
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[QUOTE=HiHoAgRV;1792384]Am I correct that none of the current fiberglass 'eggs' have a dealer network?/QUOTE]

There was just a story in Trailer Life this year about fiberglass trailers. There were one or maybe two that had dealer networks, but most built them when you ordered them. I'm fairly close to the Casita factory, which is why we see so many of them around here, but I haven't come across too many other brands myself in our travels. So, maybe having a dealers would help. I do know they try to keep costs down by not having dealer networks.

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Old 05-17-2016, 07:54 AM   #807
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"I wish they made them Bigger"!

This statement encompasses everything about the "Baby Boomer" generation. Cars, houses, trailers and RV's as "Bigger is Better"!

Look at the real world TODAY.

Smaller homes with small lots, smaller cars, bigger trucks, smaller RV trailers and smaller motorhomes. Condominium developments, cluster homes and massive apartment complexes. That's what is being built and sold today. The younger people today do not want a 4,000 square foot home on a 1 acre plus lot, a large car or large truck for that matter. The RV industry continues to downsize their offerings with better build quality and better design. The "Mantra" of the Boomer's has been "Bigger is Better". Now as the "Boomers" are OLD & they too are downsizing and looking to get rid of all their "junque", big cars, big homes and ultimately big RV's which will include AIRSTREAMS!

Who is going to buy all this "Baby Boomer" JUNQUE????

The younger people today don't want their parents cast off stuff. The younger people are not old enough YET to get on the nostalgia kick and collect the junque their parents cherished and I'm not so sure they ever will!

Want to see something depressing? Go to a local "Estate Auction" and see how little money a person's life accumulations of STUFF actually sells for. In most situations the only item of real value is their real estate if they have any!

With company funded pension funds GONE the way of the Model T (OUT), social security an "oxymoron" and younger people's retirement funding now fully dependent upon themselves for funding will the majority of young people be able to retire at all in old age? Many may be struggling the make living much less be able to enjoy or want to enjoy the "Airstream" lifestyle in retirement.

The folks here on this board fully understand the "I wish they made them Bigger" statement. We (Boomer's) are no longer the "Future" and many NOW consider us the "Past". Very few SUCCESSFUL companies build products directed for sale to folks living in the past.

Looks to me like AS is FINALLY moving into the FUTURE!!!

Definition of "Junque" = Fancy name for JUNK which is old or discarded articles that are considered useless or of little value.
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Which I find myself in agreement with.
And in that spirit I'd like to volunteer to tow away any clutter of "junk ". vintage race cars that may be clogging your space. Running well tuned sports cars preferred.
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:45 AM   #808
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The dealer network being glad to have an "entry level" trailer may not be all that helpful to selling these. Most dealers sell a variety of brands and many are "entry level" in terms of price compared to Airstream. Some or all of those brands may be Thor brands sort of competing with the Nest.

And is $35,000 entry level? You can buy a Class C for less than that and need no medium size truck or SUV.

If the Nest (or other Thor brands) are as poorly made as some Airstreams and other Thor brands, why would people want to eventually spend even more on an Airstream? Isn't Airstream's business based on decades old reputation for a well built trailer from the Wally era plus an iconic design? So, if customers buy a Nest expecting a premium product and it has the same sort of workmanship and poor materials issues Airstreams have had for decades, why would they buy an Airstream later? GM's business used to be dependent on people starting with a Chevy and then a Pontiac, Olds, Buick and if they really made it, a Cadillac. That strategy worked only so long as Chevies, etc., were good cars. It took decades of bad cars before GM failed, but the strategy worked for a long time. I guess Thor's execs hope to ride the same thing and collect their big money before the bottom falls out someday.

So, the entry level argument may eventually sell some Airstreams, but probably not too many.

About 7 years ago I suggested to an Airstream exec that Pendleton designs go well with the Art Deco look of Airstreams. He said he'd pass it on. Either he didn't, or he did and it took years to follow through. So far, I haven't received a thank you or the Pendleton designed trailer they should gift me.

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...before the bottom falls out someday.
See, that's particularly funny since Airstreams have always had a problem with floor rot.
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Old 05-17-2016, 11:09 AM   #810
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Hi, Airstream could learn from Henry Ford. Change the way they build them. Pay their employees twice as much, crank out ten times more, sell them for less than half of today's price, totally interchangeable parts equals better quality. Last time, [only time] I took the Airstream tour, the production line looked so un-organized. On that same trip, I toured Ford and Toyota assembly plants. Even the Amish Carriage factory was more organized than Airstream.

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Old 05-17-2016, 11:22 AM   #811
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Am I correct that none of the current fiberglass 'eggs' have a dealer network?/QUOTE]

So, maybe having a dealers would help. I do know they try to keep costs down by not having dealer networks.

I think you will find the most successful fibreglass trailer builders have no problems keeping their production line very busy with most having a wait time for their trailers. Escape trailers for example have increased the size of their plant a number of times in the last 10 years as well as the number of staff. They are back ordered until the summer of 2017 currently - that is even after they stopped late last year in taking new orders for a number of months.

They also ship their trailers all over NA for those who do not want to take the drive up to collect the trailer .... but many people do. Escape BTW was the one brand of fibreglass trailer I saw the most of camping out on BML lands one winter in Arizona and California.

Escape did sell through a dealer in their early years but per their website "In 2006 we tried selling through a dealer network, but struggled with the lack of interaction with our customers. It did not allow us to follow our business model."

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