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Old 12-26-2013, 01:16 PM   #15
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I am curious, why not get Airstream involved? With out Wally Byam and Airstream this caravan might not have taken place. It was in planning well before his death. I do not see the logic of keeping Airstream out of it. Many of us use Airstreams site to reference the free material they provide of trailer specs, sales literature, ect...
Airstream LOST all the hundreds of photos, all in color, that their official photographer, Fran Hall, sent back to them. The only ones that have survived are the ones used in advertising.
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #16
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I am curious, why not get Airstream involved? With out Wally Byam and Airstream this caravan might not have taken place. It was in planning well before his death. I do not see the logic of keeping Airstream out of it. Many of us use Airstreams site to reference the free material they provide of trailer specs, sales literature, ect...
apparently you don't think like an attorney . . . which is a good thing (no offense to the attorneys out there)
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Old 12-26-2013, 01:48 PM   #17
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No, I do not think like an attorney. I think like someone who has had to deal with attorneys however.
Start publishing films that might have, in part been funded by Airstream on the AWC and attorneys might do some thinking. I also think that if Airstream is not involved an attorney just might do some thinking. I tend to think outside the box so what I think, has very little bearing.
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Airstream LOST all the hundreds of photos, all in color, that their official photographer, Fran Hall, sent back to them. The only ones that have survived are the ones used in advertising.
A lot has been lost over the years. Have you ever traced your genealogy? You would be surprised of how much history has been lost or misplaced. They sure are trying to provide a great deal of(free) info on their site now a days. I bet they regret the house cleaning they did over the years.
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I doubt Airstream as a company would be much interested in personal home movies of the ATW caravan and I doubt there would be copy write issues with Airstream to get the lawyers going if digitized and distributed separately. A couple of years ago I tried a couple of times to contact people at Airstream about doing something in conjunction with the VAC or WBCCI for the then upcoming 50th anniversary of the ATW caravan and found little interest. Everyone was extremely nice, but I got the feeling that when you are selling all the product you can make, there is little time to think about celebrating your history as a way of increasing interest and sales.

Airstream also contracted the services of an Archivist a couple of years ago to catalog and preserve the materials they do have in their archives. At the time, they were more interested in oral histories of employees and other important persons and product details and less interested in caravans and such. I was told they were not discarding the caravan related material the did find, but they also weren't actively doing anything with it at the time.

It did seem that the employment of an Archivist was the turning point at which access to their archival material became more restricted. There was talk at that time about signing an agreement to share information with WBCCI. The previous VAC Historian had a much more casual relationship with Airstream and had been able to look through their archives at least a couple of times. Since I took on this role in 2009, I have not had that same level of success. When I am able to retire in a few years and will have more for such endevours, maybe I will try to contact them again.

BTW, in case I did not mention it, if this comes down to a "self funded" digital conversion, I would definitely contribute for a copy. I could also see if the VAC wanted to fund part of the conversion if Matt wanted to go that way, but I will not approach them until he decides what we wants to do.
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No, I do not think like an attorney. I think like someone who has had to deal with attorneys however.
Start publishing films that might have, in part been funded by Airstream on the AWC and attorneys might do some thinking. I also think that if Airstream is not involved an attorney just might do some thinking. I tend to think outside the box so what I think, has very little bearing.
I guess I don't have a testimony of "Airstream the Corporation", only in old trailers that were built by people who worked at a company called Airstream. I respect, understand and appreciate that people feel differently - "it's all good" as they say.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:27 PM   #21
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I am curious, why not get Airstream involved? With out Wally Byam and Airstream this caravan might not have taken place. It was in planning well before his death. I do not see the logic of keeping Airstream out of it. Many of us use Airstreams site to reference the free material they provide of trailer specs, sales literature, ect...
My only thought was that once you asked Airstream finance the conversion, I believe their legal dept would ask you relinquish all rights to the films. Once that is done the rest of us would have a snowball's chance in h377 of getting a copy.

My thought is get the conversion made and then offer Airstream a copy like the rest of us. Retain your ownership is all I am saying
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I tried to get The Mothership to "help" me produce a coffee table book on "Airstreams in the Wine Country" (there a LOT of them at wineries/vineyards). I was not looking for funding, but wanted assistance in research. I was told, "We have little funding for marketing and it ALL goes to support our dealers..." Funny, but as a marketing professional, I understand the value of brandbuilding and image. I don't think that Harley-Davidson is as cavalier about their historical documents/photos/etc., and they have HUGE brand value and customer loyalty.

At the 2008 International I talked with the club historian about getting some historical information on the 60s era caravans (that my trailer attended) and she told me that the photo albums of caravans that were donated to the club were just in "a pile of boxes" at the office. In front of me, an old couple was there donating their albums to her will loving reverence. She was polite, but I could tell that the book was just going to be chucked in a box with a bunch of others. Cynical? Me?... a bit.
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:02 PM   #23
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This is a perfect project for crowdfunding. Do a little research on the 'net, easy to set up.

Good luck !

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I agree with most here: I see very little value in getting the mothership involved, especially if this can be easily converted and distributed with private funds. Kickstarter is a great idea.

Something else to consider: there are online movie distribution sites today, that would eliminate the need to burn the movie to DVD, packaging costs, etc. Once you pay, you'd have unlimited access to the film from anywhere. Could be one route to explore, at least.

As for Airstream's marketing and view of their past - I sure wish they'd take a page out of Harley's playbook and embrace their history more. Imagine TV ads that begin with older footage from the ATW or African caravans... fading into shots of today's trailers and beautiful vistas. What better way to push Boomers' nostalgic buttons, and capture the interest of us younger folk too. Lots of people enjoy knowing they're buying an icon... and footage like we're discussing here is marketing gold.

I say convert it ...and then offer to license it back to Airstream.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:20 PM   #27
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Another copy here. I love History, and you can't find it hidden in boxes, lol. Count me in! MPJ
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My Plans for the Films

At first I was shocked to see how much of an interest there is in my great uncle Truitt's ATW films! But as I learned more about how the footage that Airstream promised its caravaners was never delivered, it started to make more sense to me.

I am currently starting a business which requires a lot of my attention. I will devote a block of time to these films in the near future - once I get some breathing room. I'll get an estimate on film restoration as well as the cost to convert it to digital. I don't know much about film technology, but it looks like its in the ballpark of 8mm.

I have three full length reels of the ATW trip and then another three full length reels from their South America to Canada trip. There is a smaller reel without any labeling but was part of the collection so that one will be a surprise. More than likely I will take the advice from many on this forum and do a Kickstarter fundraiser. I'll be sure to make an announcement on this forum when I get ready to do that.

As for the Airstream, #4255. My grandparents inherited that many years ago from my great uncle. My grandfather sold it just prior to going to assisted living. Nobody in the family knows to whom he sold it. But it was sold out of McDonough Georgia.

Thanks for all the comments, it definitely makes me want to hurry up and get this project rolling! -Matt
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