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08-04-2009, 08:26 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
Blaine
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 31
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Door to Nowhere?
We have a '78 Tradewind (2 dbls... front double is pull-out, not booth style)
There is an exterior compartment door which seems to be a door to nowhere.
It opens and what we see is the outside of the interior vinyl wall covering. It is located on the street side, just in front of where the kitchen is on the inside. Right next to the furnace. Basically the wall behind the pullout table. You cannot access the interior via this opening.
The exterior door doesn't close fully and I suspect water will get in. (We've had the trailer for just a few weeks.)
1) What is the door? A feature pertaining to some other model than ours? Or something more useful than we've perceived?
2) Would I kick myself it I just silicone caulked it shut?
(Extra facts for the humor value: it was a funny moment... we struggled to figure which key opened it... then realized that it was tough to open because of, not a *lock* issue, but because of some rigging up by the PO involving duct tape and wedging... then the grand moment of opening revealed: Nothing. A wall. Stunned silence, then uproarious giggles)
Now, what to do? To caulk or not to caulk?
By the bay
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08-04-2009, 08:30 PM
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From your description, it sounds like either a PO was going to add a door, and never finished it, or the door is supposed to be there, and a modification inside caused it to go nowhere. Can you post a picture?
Also, silicone is contraindicated on aluminum, it contains ingredients known to the Airstream community to cause bad stuff to happen to the aluminum.
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08-04-2009, 08:35 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 30' Classic
Montreal
, Quebec
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 25
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Hello, thats kind of funny...we just installed a door which leads to nowhere on our recent Airstream. When we bought it, it had a sliced main side panel close to the rear and made more sense to install a door than replace the main side panel. Could have been the same reasoning from your previous owner.
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08-05-2009, 09:03 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
Blaine
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 31
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Ok,
total newbie here thinking I could use silicone caulk... thanks for gently telling me NO (when it is probably discussed so often)
I see now that Vulkem is for the aluminium. (So much to learn!)
It'll be a week before I can have the time to open the door-to-nowhere again for a pic.
After learning about Vulkem by reading in the archives, I'm still left with this question about that product:
Where can I buy the Vulkem?
Many thanks for your info
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08-05-2009, 09:37 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
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I'm not sure if they're all butyl caulks. But my preference is Sikaflex 221. It develops a dry surface skin in half a day compared with Vulkem which seems to take a long time. Gray is an excellent match for your favorite color.
https://store.airstream.com/index.php?cPath=44&page=2
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08-05-2009, 01:57 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Oak View
, California
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,063
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I like having a door that goes nowhere, it keeps me from going through and getting lost...
Repeat stunned silence, then giggles...
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08-05-2009, 02:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
, Nevada
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,554
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Assuming you didn't come out of that door first.....
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08-05-2009, 02:57 PM
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Liberator
1972 Argosy 24
1989 34.5' Airstream 345
Heart of Dixie
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,659
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Before you seal it up...
Place a treasure map or photo of Rod Serling in there
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1989 Airstream 345 Liberator...
1972 Argosy 24'...
1954 Feathercraft Vagabond
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08-05-2009, 03:08 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Oak View
, California
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,063
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NevadaGeo
Assuming you didn't come out of that door first.....
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Oh you silly boy, where do you think I hide when the nuts come around??
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08-05-2009, 03:14 PM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,766
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Quick! Somebody call Geraldo! Tell him Capone's treasure is in there!
Roger
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Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
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08-05-2009, 03:35 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
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Estancia
, New Mexico
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I'm not sure that silicone does anything more bad to aluminum that other materials, but maybe it does. If so somebody jump in. The bad stuff that silicone does it looks yuchy as it matures and it is a bear to get that stuff off aluminum.
You could remove the door and frame get a piece of aluminum and rivet it over the hole with bucked or Olympic rivets. Unless an AS afficianado no one would ever know. Zeppelenium recently did it with a couple of windows and did a thread about it. Then of course you could give the door to the needy through the forums. I'm sure someone needs it.
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08-05-2009, 06:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
Oak View
, California
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,063
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Door to Nowhere
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumatic
Then of course you could give the door to the needy through the forums. I'm sure someone needs it.
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Hey, is it the size of the back door of a 1966 Tradewind? Mine flew off somewhere on the highway after I left C&G Trailer Repair on my way to Montana. When I called them about it, like, "You guys forgot to lock on my door and now it's gone," they said, "Oh, those things could come loose and fall off anytime." Well it didn't fall off since 1966......until now.
I ended up having a muffler place along the way fashion me one out of metal with a little lock, but it is rather flimsy and well, not pretty.
Anyone have one they want to donate? I am at an all time low on the cash flow as an artist.... or barter for art???
Carol
PS I know, I know, I should have checked everything myself before I left there..........
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08-05-2009, 06:20 PM
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Both Sikaflex and Vulkem are polyurethane sealants. Silicone adhesive, both RTV and caulk contain curing acids that are corrosive to the aluminum on Airstreams and similar coaches. I have seen aluminum etched by silicone, it does leave a mark. While I've never seen it actually eat a hole in a sheet of aluminum, I have seen it leave a stain on the aluminum that could only be removed by stripping, sanding, and polishing the area.
And the access doors on a 1970's model are different from the access doors on a mid-1960's model.
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08-05-2009, 08:02 PM
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Rivet Master
1957 22' Caravanner
Port Hadlock
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 864
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Quote:
Originally Posted by By the Bay
After learning about Vulkem by reading in the archives, I'm still left with this question about that product:
Where can I buy the Vulkem?
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I tend to get Vulkem from Vintage Trailer Supply - Vintage travel trailer parts and supplies! but many Fastenal stores have it as well (TremPro 636 "Vulkem" Polyurethane). We've got a local Fastenal just west of Peace Portal on Grandview, but I haven't tried them yet. I'm sure they can get it for you if they don't have it in stock.
cheers,
steve
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08-05-2009, 10:49 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
Blaine
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 31
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Cracking me up!
Thanks for the tips and the laughs.
By the Bay
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08-06-2009, 07:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by By the Bay
Cracking me up!
Thanks for the tips and the laughs.
By the Bay
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Remember, if you see a large white rabbit go through the hatch, don't follow him...
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Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.
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08-06-2009, 07:39 AM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
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The former owner of the trailer wasn't a woman by the name of Sarah Winchester, was it?
Roger
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havin' to fix my broken Airstreams since 1987...
AIR 2053 Current: 2004 Airstream Interstate "B-Van" T1N DODGE Sprinter
Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
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08-06-2009, 10:15 PM
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#18
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2 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
Blaine
, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 31
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Y'all have helped me see the glamour and intrigue angle of our Door to Nowhere.
LOL
Silly me thinking it was just a run of the mill Leak Potential.
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08-07-2009, 06:31 AM
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Rivet Master
1976 Argosy 24
Joplin
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CanoeStream
I'm not sure if they're all butyl caulks. But my preference is Sikaflex 221. It develops a dry surface skin in half a day compared with Vulkem which seems to take a long time. Gray is an excellent match for your favorite color.
https://store.airstream.com/index.php?cPath=44&page=2
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Most RV (SOB) supply stores and some mobile home dealers also carry Sikaflex. I buy it locally from a dealer in town, and I have seen it other places too. I find that a lot of things are stock with RV's, used in SOB's and Airstreams alike, and you can get replacements easily.
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