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Old 09-02-2010, 11:25 PM   #29
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I think the "trend" Pogue references is AT&T's recent move to revoke their Unlimited plan in favor of a cheaper, limited plan. I'm actually grandfathered into the Unlimited plan, have used over 5GB in a handful of months, and have never been charged overages. New subscribers cannot get on these unlimited plans, and I'd actually SAVE $5/mo to drop down to the limited plan (2GB/mo, I think), which may be the wise thing to do, but I figure I'd wait and see what our usage is once we're on the road full-time.

I'm with you on Sprint's coverage — where you wanna be in the 'stream, it's not well-covered, but I think that's largely true for EVERY carrier. Look at each carrier's coverage map and there's always a Wyoming-shaped hole missing. I may actually prefer to spend $150 on the MiFi, plus $40/mo, than add $20/mo to my AT&T bill for tethering (meanwhile LOSE my unlimited data). One thing's for sure: there's no elegant (or cheap) way to consistently get a bunch of devices on the 'net when you're out & about.

Someday we'll wised up and pry some spectrum from dying TV (what's TV anyway? Something you watch on the Internet, right?) and put the internet on it and just saturate all the TV areas with broadband access as a public utility. Was kind of excited about that possibility a few years ago with the first auctions of the 700MHz spectrum (what's now becoming Verizon's & AT&T's 4G network) but would be nice if it wasn't all locked up in over-priced commercial offerings. Someday.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:56 PM   #30
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Are you sure you READ the article (Pogue's) and the Virgin product and plan description?...
yes.

and i made ONE error in the comparison to their mifi vs other FULL ON broadband plans or verizon mifi ...

the virgin/mobile uses ONLY the dedicated 3g sprint stuff, so again LOOK at the coverage map.

lots of wide open space, where a connection won't exist.

they make a big deal about "covering 90% of the us population"...

but that's a red herring, since the goal with an rv is NOT to be where the population density is high.
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now on the data comsumption side, i've often got 3 gadgets connected to a server...

and broadcast a mobile hot spot that others can use IF they ask for the password...

since i do NOT carry a phone, ALL communication... everything is via broadband and keyboard.

in nearly 4 years, i've yet to use 4 gb of data in any one month...

btw another ERROR in the article relates to how broadband users can "know" usage,

as they are approaching the limits of a plan ...

well THAT is very easy and clear with the verizon vzw interface, as simple as checking a bank account balance.

sharing is good, sharing new products NO ONE has tried is fun...

and sharing what really works is useful too.
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being a tech guy, it's not likely help is needed...

perhaps u've scanned the evdo site?

What is EVDO / Mobile Broadband? : EVDOinfo.com

they DO have pretty elegant bits of gear to get or stay connected and the prices keep falling...

and their customer/product support top notch.
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while i might turn on the att/pad account occasionally and just for grins...

a verizion bb'card plugged INTO a wireless 3/4 g router and 12v adapter...

supplies awesome coverage and month to month (without contract).

the card can also be used IN any of the laptops...

in fact with the router/card IN the truck or stream and parked nearby,

one can go INTO businesses and still connect to SECURE/encrypted private wifi...

add a wilson antenna and 3 watt signal amp, like many folks here have done...

this combo has given me coverage on 99% of the days or nights streamin'...

including HOLES seen in the mapped coverage

or where others are drawing blanks in the next campsite...

IF really fixed on the mifi notion

there is even a battery powered router about the same size that uses the bbcard...

cradlepoint has some creative router solutions for us (mbr 1000? is especially nice)...

http://www.cradlepoint.com/products/...i-hotspot-3g4g
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feeding/streaming MOVIES this way or full length tv shows isn't ideal

but neither is the trend of paying to rent PER show via itunes, imo.

if TELE is really important (sports/movies/series) a DISH is still the best option for rv'ers...

and there are some very creative dish options now, even for boondockin' or 12v only power ...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f451...ion-33976.html

it's all good folks...

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Old 09-03-2010, 12:25 AM   #31
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... Was kind of excited about that possibility a few years ago with the first auctions of the 700MHz spectrum (what's now becoming Verizon's & AT&T's 4G network)...
only a tangent, but this reminds me of another issue with connecting...

especially INSIDE a stream.

the verizon stuff is at ~850 mhz? while the att/sprint and tmobile is 18-1900 mhz?

does that read correctly?

anyway the LOWER wavelength does a better job of PENETRATING walls...isn't that correct?

and this is pretty easy to test in the stream.

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I'm kinda against wires dangling around - otherwise I would just fish an HDMI cable - $99.00 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 30 foot HDMI cable for the bedroom for example....
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I'm kinda against wires dangling around - otherwise I would just fish an HDMI cable - $99.00 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 30 foot HDMI cable for the bedroom for example....
Well almost.
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:07 AM   #34
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2air' —*thanks for the peek into your setup... that sounds pretty similar to what I have been planning. Haven't pulled the trigger on any of our networking stuff, but I did pre-order the AppleTV after Steve's keynote. In a lot of ways, I think the older AppleTV woulda worked better, having the internal storage and all, but with an iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch in our family (and probably a second iPad when the second gen is unveiled next Spring), the way I'm looking at it is that the internal storage has just moved from the AppleTV to these wireless peripherals.

With the iMac consuming anywhere from 5 to 8 times the amount of electricity (200-360W) as our new LED TV (40W), it'd be great if there was a way to watch content w/o having BOTH on, and this sounds like a perfect fit (AppleTV = 4W). We don't watch a LOT of TV, but I'm just trying to design something flexible.

I'd been looking at Cradlepoint routers, and they are indeed pretty slick (elegant). My problem is my existing contract with AT&T, good through next Feb. Hopefully they'll announce a VZN iPhone by next summer, and I can switch back to a single bill (assuming I go with VZN for data/EVDO/MiFi).

I haven't looked into antennas yet, but are they cheap/awkward enough that it'd make sense to buy two, one for each of the trailer and tow vehicle, and just keep them permanently mounted, or are they convenient enough to carry between the two with the router/amplifier? Or do you just keep the whole setup in the trailer, connected to power, while tooling down the road and still get a signal from the tow vehicle?
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:10 AM   #35
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I'm kinda against wires dangling around - otherwise I would just fish an HDMI cable - $99.00 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 30 foot HDMI cable for the bedroom for example....
Uhm, no. DON'T BUY EXPENSIVE HDMI cables! Especially if you're just going to run them through a wall.

Monoprice is where it's at:

For only $23.66 each when QTY 50+ purchased - 30FT 22AWG CL2 Standard Speed HDMI Cable - Black | Professional 22AWG HDMI Standard Speed Male to Male Cables

$27 for a 30 footer.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:18 AM   #36
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As for the MiFi, it can be used when charging. When connected to a USB host, it goes into bridge mode and stops working in WiFi mode, but when charged from a USB charger that is not a host (computer) it stays in WiFi mode and can be used indefinitely.
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antennas FOR cellular enhancement...

it's pretty easy to mount one of the trucker style on a mast or on TOP of the stream...

(i used a camera tripod for this initially, which could be repositioned as needed)

then run wire into a vent to the signal amplifier, connected to the card.

here are a bunch of user reports on the wilson/bbcard parts by members here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f451...ups-30168.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...tml#post571249

this is what i did early on, then kept a small magnetic antenna in the truck that would also work with a bbcard.

but adding the cradle point changed all of that for the better.

now, it's rare that i even need to turn on the amplifier, maybe 2 days a month.

the express (or usb) bb card plugged directly into their router just seems to work better at catching a signal.

the mbr 1000? has 3 of it's own WIFI antennas so REsending the wifi signal is very strong.

upto about 1200 feet by line of site, or about 6-12 rvs parked along an access road.

so YES the mobile/private wifi signal is plenty strong...

the signal will EASILY reach the tow vehicle and pad or mbpro without another antenna,

it's a rolling wifi/broadband setup and simply great.
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having verizon month2month AND the att (turn on as needed) means 2 options and no contracts.

eventually there will be other micro sim cards for the pad,

in fact a full size sim card can be CUT down to fit now, google the how2s...
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the added bonus with the cradle point is it AUTOMATICALLY connects and configures...

this is very convenient since the normal approach is to insert card into puter OPEN the vzw and hit 'connect'...

the wilson amp and external cellular/broadband antenna are useful WHEN needed...

like in valleys or deep in the woods or other fringe/weak signal zones.

((wilson now offers WIRELESS amps, an UPgrade over the previous version most of us have))

it's good to have alternative connectivity if/when it REALLY is needed.

on the tele side, ONE of the nice things about the vuecube is ONE CABLE...

power is supplied THROUGH the coaxial cable to the box, which houses a MINI dish...
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another nice aspect of the real EYETV from elgato which supplies a tuner and turns the puter into a full on tele...

when cable or plentiful access is available programs/movies can be downloaded directly onto the hard drive for later viewing...

basically turning any computer into a tivo type device.

apple of course makes some wonderful stuff (primarily the OS) but they still haven't nailed this tv "box" piece ...

given the success of itunes and NOW adding 'social media' features, no doubt they'll get a nice box solution at some point.

the pad really is for CONSUMING media so they will inevitably add/improve the consumption side feeding into it.

gadgets, gotta love gadgets.

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Old 09-03-2010, 11:42 AM   #38
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Yes, I have a bit of a gadget crush, and you're not helping. That eyeTV looks pretty sweet. I don't feel like we'll NEED it, but that's not really the point, is it? If it turns out we really do want to record our shows, or watch them on our iMac instead of the TV, then I'll have to remember it.

To be honest, I've spent the last few months ripping every DVD I could get my hands on, and I'm pushing towards 2 TB of video media (~190 movies, ~ 100 TV episodes). That should last us for perpetuity, but I'm sure we'll, when available, want to sneak some live TV. I may go ahead and run a coax back to the computer just in case.

I'm not very interested in the VuQube I don't think, but that looks like a great solution for people want a One & Done implementation. Very nice.

Finally, thanks for the heads-up on the Wilson wireless amp. I'll have to judge the cost versus a wired one snaked up the refrigerator vent, but that's a nice solution. I think the Wilson wireless antenna + amplifier & Cradlepoint MBR 1000 router looks like a winning combination and honestly, as elegant (or more) than what I've got going on at the house nowadays.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:25 PM   #39
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ahhhh... my parents just called, they want to give me their old ATV while they go buy the new one... nice! I always liked the harddrive aspect of the old one, and was JUST about to buy one (the old one) for home... we use the Wii for Netflix stream.

2air, I like the eyetv you posted about, does it get HD ok from antennaes? We don't have cable at home.. yes... old fashioned parents are we!

JUST bought a Virgin MiFi this summer for use... it really is unlimited GB's for $40! The previous month I bought 5GB for $60, so we're pretty happy. Yes, the coverage is quite limited, but the kids were pretty happy on our car trip down to S. Cal.... though I will say having the youngings doing web heavy stuff really slowed down the speed. Just wish it were a bit faster; we loved it for the live traffic updates too. Can use while charging (that would be terrible if it couldn't!!), but boy it get's warm! I wonder how warm those Droid phones with wifi hotspots built in get! I'm waiting for Verizon to hop on the lower GB price train though... something like 2GB for $60.00 + tax... no thanks....

Anyway, yes, we love our gadgets!
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good report on the mifi marc...

i really do think it can serve as a kiddie tool (don't forget the sugar and caffeine)

the eyetv works GREAT from an antenna...

it's actually very strange looking to see set of HDrabbit ears running to a plug on a laptop.

look over the various products on the elgato site ((old fashioned parents that u are...))

((there are several version of this 'tv tuner 4 puter' on the NONmac side too))

just to show HOW nice the EYEtv/elgato products are...they are SOLD in APPLE company stores...
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not to go DEEPLY into this , but i assume u are using ripit?

approaching 5 tb of flicks on drives, i am...

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Yep, RipIt. Beautiful application. And then I hand the .dvdmedia files over to Handbrake to convert into iTunes friendly mp4s. That functionality is supposedly coming to RipIt soon. (Well, it already does this from the DVD, but soon it'll do it from the ripped .dvdmedia file as well).

I have a Drobo with 2 2TB drives and 2 1TB drives, partitioned into two volumes: one for TimeMachine and one for all of this video content. At home, that's on all the time, but on-the-road, I suspect I'll just kick it on when necessary (to sync with our devices or run a backup).
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played with h/brake just never needed what it provides.

been using ripit since almost week one, it's scary how great that app is and has been.

timemachine is WAY better than most interval data backup apps and so easy2 turn on...

but the 3 times i have REALLY NEEDED a backup, superduper! saved my arse big time...

catastrophic internal drive failure that interrupted work for a grand total of 10 minutes...

since the duper! clone took over all function of the internal drive

by simply pluggin it in and REstarting in T disc mode.

until the internal was replaced and then RESTORED the blank internal to a pure clone state.

it is another beautiful one trick tool for mac.
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at home 3.5 inch drives with external power supplies are great for backups and movies and data and so on...

but OUT THERE the 2.5 firewire or usb powered drives mean even while BOONDOCKING or without a generator...

backups, downloads, and viewing media can happen.

i take the big G-tech drive when traveling

but PRIMARILY use the OTC or diy enclosures or lacie stuff with 400/800 firewire or usb or esata.

and even these smaller footprint drives have become 7200 rpm spinners and larger and cheaper.

fast is good, and UNtethered from AC power is sometimes critical.

of course a small bag of portable external drives soon takes on the look and bulk of an 8 track tape box..

only smaller and with a WHOLE lot more stuff in the box.

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