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Old 03-18-2016, 10:35 AM   #1
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Groan: One More Replacement: Lug Nuts

One would think that buying a 28 ft trailer having a MSRP a few miles south of $90,000 would result in one's getting a trailer having quality components not needing replacement. Well, several months ago, I bought a new 2016 AS FC 27 FB & so far have replaced:

1. Marathon D-rated tires with E-rated Maxxis.
2. The two Group 24 flooded batteries with Group 27 AGMs.
3. The single-stage converter/charger with a triple-stage one.

And have also added a hard-wired, rear-view camera.

Maybe I should be thankful that that's all.

Recently, while checking the torque on the lug nuts, one of them "cracked," and no amount of turning the lug nut resulting in its unscrewing. Upon further inspection, what I found was that the stock lug nuts are two-piece: a steel, unplated nut covered by a chromed cap. So if the cap breaks while torquing it, it simply swivels while one attempts to remove the underlying lug nut, with the actual nut going nowhere. I removed the cap by hand, but now how to remove the underlying, uncapped nut??? None of my either SAE or metric sockets fit. Any ideas about how to get it off? (3/4" too large; 11/16" too small; 19 mm too large; 17 mm too small --- maybe a 18 mm?, which I don't have.)

Furthermore, assuming that I can get it off somehow, I don't want to find myself in the boonies with a flat tire & a broken, two-piece lug nut to remove. Therefore, one more replacement: one-piece, uncapped lug nuts all around. I can't be the first person to have had a broken lug nut cap & have been stuck with removing its underlying steel lug nut. Hey, Airstream, in my opinion, providing trailers with these capped lug nuts was a dumb idea.
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:40 AM   #2
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Try reinstalling the cap, maybe put it in the socket first. then try again to remove. Solid lug nuts exist. Sorry don't have my part number right now but they exist.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:09 AM   #4
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Groan is right! We all feel the same way. You just shouldn't have to run out and buy new tires and wheels for a brand new Airstream.

As far as the lug nuts go, The quality replacement is the McGard solid chrome, part number 64010.

I guess that since Airstream provides junky tires on their expensive trailers, they should take it one step further and use junky lug nuts to mount them.

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An 8 point socket helps a lot, but I agree the lug nuts are cheesy. The other four things you listed however were things you upgraded by choice and weren't necessary to use the trailer.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:24 AM   #6
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Hi from AZ. . . yep, welcome aboard ! I also changed out the lug nuts when getting tires @ Discount Tires. (they had them in stock) for my '10 FC28. I would add to the 'oughta do' list, a smart charging converter, so you don't boil the new batteries, and a decent mattress !. . . Just re-enforces the old adage ' we loves em in spite of em' ! ! ! Regards, Craig
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:35 AM   #7
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Yes, I replaced all my lug nuts with solid chrome plated lug nuts my hitch installer had in stock. I stripped 3 in the first month (never stripped a lug nut before in 50 years of driving and changing tires) and kept replacing them with AS originals before throwing in the towel when I saw a much better alternative.
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1. tires replaced
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3. need new converter for AGM batteries- Which converter?
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:39 AM   #9
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I'm looking at Progressive Dynamics http://progressivedyn.com/mobi/index.html

Or maybe just a smart multi-stage charger from Xantrex
http://www.xantrex.com/power-product.../overview.aspx
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What kind of converter would you recommend?
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Most folks upgrade things when the discover that the item they are replacing isn't up to the task or are towards the end of the expected life-span(as they see it). My Excella's OEM components are being upgraded because they are 28+ years old (except for the fridge). That is probably a very long life in RV years so it is expected, but everything still works and it is my choice when to change/upgrade. However, for a 2016 unit, I'd be more than a bit upset and see if there is any type of recall from the factory, doesn't cost to ask. Good luck...
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I put Gorilla lug nuts on, the best.
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As far as the lug nuts go, The quality replacement is the McGard solid chrome, part number 64010.
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[QUOTE=Rgentum;1764093]One would think that buying a 28 ft trailer having a MSRP a few miles south of $90,000 would result in one's getting a trailer having quality components not needing replacement. Well, several months ago, I bought a new 2016 AS FC 27 FB & so far have replaced:

1. Marathon D-rated tires with E-rated Maxxis.
2. The two Group 24 flooded batteries with Group 27 AGMs.
3. The single-stage converter/charger with a triple-stage one.

And have also added a hard-wired, rear-view camera.

Maybe I should be thankful that that's all.

Recently, while checking the torque on the lug nuts, one of them "cracked," and no amount of turning the lug nut resulting in its unscrewing. Upon further inspection, what I found was that the stock lug nuts are two-piece: a steel, unplated nut covered by a chromed cap. So if the cap breaks while torquing it, it simply swivels while one attempts to remove the underlying lug nut, with the actual nut going nowhere. I removed the cap by hand, but now how to remove the underlying, uncapped nut??? None of my either SAE or metric sockets fit. Any ideas about how to get it off? (3/4" too large; 11/16" too small; 19 mm too large; 17 mm too small --- maybe a 18 mm?, which I don't have.)

Furthermore, assuming that I can get it off somehow, I don't want to find myself in the boonies with a flat tire & a broken, two-piece lug nut to remove. Therefore, one more replacement: one-piece, uncapped lug nuts all around. I can't be the first person to have had a broken lug nut cap & have been stuck with removing its underlying steel lug nut. Hey, Airstream, in my opinion, providing trailers with these capped lug nuts was a dumb idea.[/QUO heat first beat on 12 point socket that is close an d use air gun for speed and vibration most always works for me 30 tech retired
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