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Old 05-04-2009, 08:47 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by mustang View Post
I read an intresting article today. It had to do with The Auto Mfg in the USA, and America, and 9/11/2001. It made me proud to own American, knowing what they did for America, and Americans on that dark day, and weeks to follow.

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford
- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept.
The company also offered ER response team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM
- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number and a fleet of Vans, SUV's, and Trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler
-$10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles
- $1 million and 30 new
motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen
Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation, funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai
- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi
- see VW

8. BMW - Nothing.

9. Daewoo - Nothing.

10. Fiat - Nothing.

11. Honda - Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August 2001

12. Isuzu - Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi - Nothing.

14. Nissan - Nothing.

15. Porsche - Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru - Nothing.

17. Suzuki - Nothing.

18. Toyota - Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001. Condolences posted on the website .

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase a new vehicle, keep this information in mind.
You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companiescontributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ... It's OKfor these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparentlynot acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should notforget things like this.
Say thank you in a way that gets their attention..

GM owns or owned, interest in many of these companies, why would they donate multiple times, when a single donation works just as well, and gives better PR?
For the purposes of your argument, GM= Isuzu, Suzuki, and Subaru, as GM had an interest in all those companies at that time. How many times should GM donate? Daewoo was in the throes of liquidational bankruptcy during the 9/11 era, and went out of the American auto business in 2002, with GM buying the automotive arm. Daewoo couldn't even make payroll, and you want them to donate?
That removes 4 from your blacklist.
For your information, VW=Audi and Porsche. Again, how many times should a single company donate?
That removes another 2 from your blacklist.
Daimler Chrysler is affiliated with Hyundai and Mitsubishi, or was at the time of 9/11, so that removes another one from your blacklist, and Hyundai independently donated besides. Sounds like only 5 are "bad guys", and all we have is your word they didn't donate.
I see you didn't bother telling us if Acura, Infiniti, or Lexus made donations or not, and if they did, they are divisions of companies you blacklisted, which would remove Honda, Nissan, and Toyota from the list. I didn't bother to check, and I'd be willing to bet you didn't, either. I didn't bother checking BMW, either.
I also didn't see Renault on your list. Renault owns a good chunk of Nissan, and, while I doubt they did, they may have made a contribution.
So, the only one that I would believe didn't make a contribution of some kind is Fiat. They didn't even import cars into the US in 2001, and haven't to date, so, it doesn't really matter if Fiat donated a penny, we couldn't voice our opinion by not buying a car that we can't buy anyway.
So, the point of your entire post, and this thread, is flawed, pointless, and a waste of bandwidth.

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Old 05-04-2009, 11:00 PM   #16
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Another point of view!

Hi, are we not talking about donations? Donations are voluntary, not a requirement. Do you donate to everyone who knocks on your door or stops you in the street, I don't? If they donated, great! If they didn't, that's fine too. Before we condem those who may not have donated to the cause, maybe we should look in a mirror, and see if who we see donated or not.


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Old 05-05-2009, 08:06 AM   #17
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There information originally posted here is a debunked chain letter. the only conclusive evidence found by the original writer of that email was that they were unable to determine what, if any contributions where made by the companies named. to draw the conclusions that are in the email is flawed, and potentially slanderous.

aside from snopes, there are other interet sites which have debunked this myth. here is one example. Is it true that the Big Three American automakers made charitable contributions after 9/11, while foreign companies, by and large, did nothing?

no doubt there are others for anyone who wants to do the research.

finally, lets not forget that many of the "non" American brands are in fact built here in the USA. Toyota has 10 plants in the US i believe. those plants equal jobs for Americans. if we stop buying the cars and trucks built at those plants, Americans will lose their jobs.

maybe instead of trying to undercut the competition with patriotism, the big three should figure out a way to produce a better product.

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