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Old 12-30-2007, 10:00 AM   #29
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Nice looking rig. The Hensley would be icing on the cake. I see the 2008 Tundra won top safety award...

IIHS-HLDI: Large pickups - Current Models
That is interesting, as the Tundra was one of the few full size pickups that did NOT get a 5 star Frontal and side impact (driver and passenger) crash ratings from NHSTA. GM, Ford, and Dodge all scored better. Nissan was better than Toyota for the driver, but the same for the passenger.

http://www.safercar.gov/Index2.cfm?S...PU&myYear=2008

The IIHS has not yet tested the 2007 or 2008 GM pickups, nor do they have complete tests for the new Ford pickups. So it looks like the IIHS declared a winner without even a half field of entrants.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:52 AM   #30
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Well, I would very much challenge this one. The 28 safari comes in at 5800lbs dy, and our 2008 f150 set up properly has proved in over 8k of towing to be very capable indeed. Now a slide out model is another story. Still, the boys frm Canada may very well solve this one.
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I'm no expert by any means, but my personal $.02 is that in the Safari line, 25' is the border line for 1/2 ton tow vehicles and in the Classic line, well, they are heavier at all lengths and I personally wouldn't consider a 1/2 ton to be a comfortable towing vehicle for anything in the Classic line. That's my opinion and isn't gospel among anyone else on this forum.
That is my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Like ScottW said, opinions, we all have them.

An F-150 with 5.4L is a capable vehicle...much more so than that of a few years ago, but I tow a 30' Safari with a 3/4 ton (F-250) diesel and that trailer isn't that much heavier than a 28' and I, again personal opinion and not everybody's opinion, wouldn't tow with less on most trips that we take.

Rich Lhur tows the same trailer we have with a 1/2 ton SUV and didn't feel comfortable with it until he purchased a Hensley Arrow. I felt it was better to properly size the tow vehicle to the trailer rather than use engineering to compensate. In Rich's situation, his Nissan Armada met his needs in other areas where a crew cab pick-up met mine. Again, difference of opinion on what is best in personal circumstances for tow vehicles.

We can debate the issue of where the line is on 1/2 ton vs. 3/4 ton tow vehciles 'till the cows come home. But I think the consensus on this thread is that the Tundra will be maxed out with a 30' Classic Slide and the OP should probably look at an alternate tow vehicle.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:01 AM   #31
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How can the IIHS call that "Current Models" then?
If someone is going to cite relevant information they should use a reliable source.
Then again the American nameplates always get the short end of the stick.

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That is interesting, as the Tundra was one of the few full size pickups that did NOT get a 5 star Frontal and side impact (driver and passenger) crash ratings from NHSTA. GM, Ford, and Dodge all scored better. Nissan was better than Toyota for the driver, but the same for the passenger.

Home | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA) | U.S. Department of Transportation

The IIHS has not yet tested the 2007 or 2008 GM pickups, nor do they have complete tests for the new Ford pickups. So it looks like the IIHS declared a winner without even a half field of entrants.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:17 PM   #32
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How can the IIHS call that "Current Models" then?
If someone is going to cite relevant information they should use a reliable source.
Then again the American nameplates always get the short end of the stick.
Here: Safest cars - Toyota Tundra (11) - CNNMoney.com

I have a 07 Tundra. It is the best truck I have ever had. It will out-run a Mustang and out-pull a GMC Dennali. Who can say that about thier truck??

YouTube - Toyota Tundra Drag Race

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Old 12-31-2007, 10:41 PM   #33
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the tundra could handle a 30' classic very nicely with a hensley. i towed a 30' classic with a HD 1/2 ton all over the country for years and never experienced any problems. it was a great set-up. now i did decide against the SO because of that huge tongue weight. i think the non-SO is a better floor plan anyway.

so World Travel, consider the 30' non-SO with a hensley hitch. great floor plan and your tundra will tow it beautifully.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:52 PM   #34
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Slightly off topic, but......

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Here: Safest cars - Toyota Tundra (11) - CNNMoney.com

I have a 07 Tundra. It is the best truck I have ever had. It will out-run a Mustang and out-pull a GMC Dennali. Who can say that about thier truck??

YouTube - Toyota Tundra Drag Race

YouTube - Tundra vs Ram 1500
Hi, I'd like to say that about my Navigator; I'm sure it will beat some Mustangs and out pull some Denali's, But at my age [almost twice your's] and the cost of tickets and insurance in California, that's not going to happen. I agree the Tundra is a great vehicle, but I don't agree that it is the right vehicle to be towing a 30' slide-out Airstream. "My opinion"
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:04 PM   #35
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Hi, I'd like to say that about my Navigator; I'm sure it will beat some Mustangs and out pull some Denali's, But at my age [almost twice your's] and the cost of tickets and insurance in California, that's not going to happen. I agree the Tundra is a great vehicle, but I don't agree that it is the right vehicle to be towing a 30' slide-out Airstream. "My opinion"
When I'm 75 Tickets will be the least of my problems! I think that the 30' SO AS is a HOG! I agree on the weight the Tundra will do a lot of things BUT that is pushing it. With that much weight it should be a 5th wheel and a diesel.

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A 1/2 ton truck...be it a Ford, Chev., Nissan, Toyota, ETC., is a lesser tow vehicle than a 3/4 frame truck.

A large gas engine is a lesser power plant than a medium turbo diesel engine.

If you buy a 1/2 ton truck with a gas engine, you will be under structured and under powered to tow at high-envelope operating conditions.

If you buy a 3/4 ton truck with a turbo diesle engine you will have a tow vehicle that will handle any job.

The difference between 1/2 ton marginal performance vehicle and 3/4 ton good performance vwhicle was about $3,500 when I compaired prices in 2006.
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I got news for the young buck....IT is one fine truck...for what it is designed to do. But it won't outrun a Mustang GT. NOT in anyones lifetime. And it will not pull with a 3/4 ton truck.

O...it will out run a Peterbuilt...but I bet you can tie 10 Tundras together and a peterbuilt willdrag them off....but ..THE PETERBUILT IS SO SLOW....so the Tundra must be better puller?? that's poor logic....and it comes from inexsperience. The bigger the truck ....and Tundra is still a half ton...the better it will handle the load.
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I will add this about the Ford Half ton. There is one half model of Ford that is build to tow 11,000#. It has a cargo rating of 3050#. Comes with a heavy duty frame and a 4.1 heavy duty rear end (for a half ton). comes with 10 ply "E" rated 245/75X17 tires (same tires as on the one ton dually). It only comes in Regular cab, 8 foot box, 5.4 V-8, a 3/4 ton spring pack. And ONLY comes in XL trim. It is essentially a 3/4 ton truck but Ford chooses to put a half ton body on it for marketing purposes. IT has a 144 inch wheel base. Few people own any...and few evern know how to spec one out. You cannot get it in a 4X4. It will tow any AS made...but it is a marketing tool. But it only slightly cheaper than a similar 3/4 ton.
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Here: Safest cars - Toyota Tundra (11) - CNNMoney.com

I have a 07 Tundra. It is the best truck I have ever had. It will out-run a Mustang and out-pull a GMC Dennali. Who can say that about thier truck??

YouTube - Toyota Tundra Drag Race

YouTube - Tundra vs Ram 1500
That Tundra vs Ram was most likely rigged. It was done at a Toyota dealership. Also the Ram started moving the Tundra first and once that happens there is no way that Tundra is going to regain momentum without the Ram driver easing up. There is another U-tube video with a Ram and Tundra with just some guys and not a Toyota dealer and the Ram pulls that Tundra all over the place, no competition. If I knew how y'all hotlink these U-tube vid;s to this site I would post it up but you can find it easy.
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Here: Safest cars - Toyota Tundra (11) - CNNMoney.com

I have a 07 Tundra. It is the best truck I have ever had. It will out-run a Mustang and out-pull a GMC Dennali. Who can say that about thier truck??

YouTube - Toyota Tundra Drag Race

YouTube - Tundra vs Ram 1500
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I will add this about the Ford Half ton. There is one half model of Ford that is build to tow 11,000#. It has a cargo rating of 3050#. Comes with a heavy duty frame and a 4.1 heavy duty rear end (for a half ton). comes with 10 ply "E" rated 245/75X17 tires (same tires as on the one ton dually). It only comes in Regular cab, 8 foot box, 5.4 V-8, a 3/4 ton spring pack. And ONLY comes in XL trim. It is essentially a 3/4 ton truck but Ford chooses to put a half ton body on it for marketing purposes. IT has a 144 inch wheel base. Few people own any...and few evern know how to spec one out. You cannot get it in a 4X4. It will tow any AS made...but it is a marketing tool. But it only slightly cheaper than a similar 3/4 ton.
You guys should jump over to ON THE ROAD section and read what inland andy said about tow vehicles. It is in the bicycle mounting section. It says it all regarding over rigging and 3/4 ton or greater trucks and the damage that occurs to the trailer not having suspension travel on the tow vehicle.
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You guys should jump over to ON THE ROAD section and read what inland andy said about tow vehicles. It is in the bicycle mounting section. It says it all regarding over rigging and 3/4 ton or greater trucks and the damage that occurs to the trailer not having suspension travel on the tow vehicle.
I would like to see some concrete data on what damage and how much.
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