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Old 09-22-2011, 09:51 AM   #57
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Several items were repaired be me. Parts were available from LR only, and quite expensive.
The most costly of which was the air bag suspension of the RR. It is a 65k to 80K mile lifespan part, specs straight from the RR manual. One must have access to a Lucas computer to reprogram the correct ride height. Not many options there. Average cost to repair that system alone is 3K, and the only other fix is to change the suspension to a leaf spring system like the older County model, even then one must buy a $1500 box to trick the computer into thinking all is well.
The reliability of things like window motors, door lock actuators, and dash controls is very poor on LR. One may consult the reviews.
Not to mention the resale value losses. Land Rovers have the resale value deprecation rate of a Styrofoam ice chest.
I kept them service at the recommend intervals, and don’t mind some maintenance. But, the problems I had with both LR vehicles were not service issues. Just poor quality parts and assembly. Something all British cars are notorious for.
I am glad some like them. There are plenty of them out there cheap. I gave them two fair chances, and then gave up.
Just a little soapbox. There are lots of choices out there, because there are lots of ideas.

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Old 09-22-2011, 09:55 AM   #58
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:21 PM   #59
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Had a Range Rover.... a Over Rated experience..... My 2011 F-150 4X4 Platinum is much much better..... and it does not live in the shop..... it's Fun....
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:52 AM   #60
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My 2008 LR3 has been to dealership once. Warranty work for a sticking parking brake.

But mine did not cost as much as a Range Rover or a Platinum edition F150.

I have 4 other vehicles in addition: 2010 Prius (wife's car), 1978 Toyota FJ40, 1975 Ford F250 4x4 crew cab and a 1955 Land Rover SI 107 pickup.

Of all my Land Rovers, the LR3 I can see the Ford influence on it. They do make things very complex on them, which is where the reliability issues come to play... But I take mine off road periodically, and there are not too many vehicles that can match their amenities and their off road capabilities.

Since everyone looks for something different in a vehicle, that is why there are different makes and models.

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Old 11-03-2011, 09:41 PM   #61
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I have a 2009LR3, just ordered a 30 Foot Flying Cloud, advise on if we can tow with the LR3 or suggestions. Appreciated
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:55 PM   #62
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A F250. Way to much trailer for an SUV. I have a VW T reg and love it but for our 19' Bambi. 30' is a mansion compared to ours.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:22 PM   #63
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I have a 2009LR3, just ordered a 30 Foot Flying Cloud, advise on if we can tow with the LR3 or suggestions. Appreciated
It's doable.. the Flying Cloud is a great floorplan in the 30'

I would have the hitch modified and reinforced. Check with Andy at Can-Am in London, Ontario. (He's the guy who tows a 34' Classic with a Jaguar XJ)

Barring that, check with any local towing specialist.

For mine, they needed to downsize my spare (I had the fullsized spare) and go in behind my rear bumper and reinforce some stuff. Also installed a permanent hitch (I think it was a Curt?) which they then reinforced as well.

No issues at all.

Don't worry about the tow rating on the LR3... it can tow way more than 7700 lbs.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:24 PM   #64
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Several items were repaired be me. Parts were available from LR only, and quite expensive.
The most costly of which was the air bag suspension of the RR. It is a 65k to 80K mile lifespan part, specs straight from the RR manual. One must have access to a Lucas computer to reprogram the correct ride height. Not many options there. Average cost to repair that system alone is 3K, and the only other fix is to change the suspension to a leaf spring system like the older County model, even then one must buy a $1500 box to trick the computer into thinking all is well.
The reliability of things like window motors, door lock actuators, and dash controls is very poor on LR. One may consult the reviews.
Not to mention the resale value losses. Land Rovers have the resale value deprecation rate of a Styrofoam ice chest.
I kept them service at the recommend intervals, and donít mind some maintenance. But, the problems I had with both LR vehicles were not service issues. Just poor quality parts and assembly. Something all British cars are notorious for.
I am glad some like them. There are plenty of them out there cheap. I gave them two fair chances, and then gave up.
Just a little soapbox. There are lots of choices out there, because there are lots of ideas.

Regards,

Can I ask what years your trucks were? I've had a 2006 LR3 and now have a 2011 LR4.

Never an issue with either of them. I think the latest models are MUCh improved over ones even a few years old.. my guess is that they knew they were getting killed on service issues, and concentrated on reliability...


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Old 11-03-2011, 10:32 PM   #65
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One thing LR does very well (among many others, actually) is interior appointments, including the very plush seating.
Ditto that on the seats. One of the things we notice is that we're not fatigued after 6-8 hours of driving in the LR, unlike our previous vehicle.. They really do make great seats.

The RR seats are even better... like sitting on a fat dog.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:07 PM   #66
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As another Land Rover owner, my experience also pans out to my vehicle not being capable of anywhere near the rated towing weight.

I am right now in the process of selling a D90 of all things. The book rates it for towing 3500kg's with a braked trailer, and I have to say that it would optimistic for it to tow 3500lbs... much less kg's. It struggled with a 5x9 trailer from U-haul when I picked up a swing set for my daughter. It just didn't have the power with the old Buick V8 in there. Going up a couple hills along the way was pure torture, down to 2nd and even 1st gear in some instances.

Hauling an Airstream with the thing? Wouldn't even consider it.

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Old 11-04-2011, 06:08 AM   #67
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I've owned three Land Rovers spanning 25 years- a '67 IIa, a '70 IIa, and a '95 Disco.
When the '67 broke, I could fix it along the highway. I remember making an engine mount out of a piece of retread I found along the the Alaska Highway. And it could and did take me everywhere.

The '95 cost me a couple of grand every time it went in for service and the engine blew at 60k. I went to a LR sponsored off road clinic and broke a shock mount. But it looked great on the highway.

So I have a love/hate relationship with them. I like a lot of the design (the Range Rover is the best looking SUV there is, IMO) but I couldn't own another one due to the reliability.
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:39 AM   #68
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As another Land Rover owner, my experience also pans out to my vehicle not being capable of anywhere near the rated towing weight.

I am right now in the process of selling a D90 of all things. The book rates it for towing 3500kg's with a braked trailer, and I have to say that it would optimistic for it to tow 3500lbs... much less kg's. It struggled with a 5x9 trailer from U-haul when I picked up a swing set for my daughter. It just didn't have the power with the old Buick V8 in there. Going up a couple hills along the way was pure torture, down to 2nd and even 1st gear in some instances.

Hauling an Airstream with the thing? Wouldn't even consider it.

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I also have a NAS D90 and have towed a popup trailer with it (a big one ). Also various loads in my dump trailer. The heaviest being around 3500 lbs.

Not a very good towing platform but never really had any issues with it.

BTW, what are you asking for your D90 and is it a 97 by any chance? My wife wants an automatic for herself.
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We have two 2005 Land Rover Defenders ( the real Land Rovers), a D90 and a D110. Living in a British Overseas Territory, we don't have the same restrictions we would have in the USA, where nothing newer than 97 has been imported.

I wanted to ask more about the hitch. Does LR put receiver hitches on their vehicles that are sold in the USA? Because receiver hitches are illegal in the UK, so they are not OEM. Over there they use a 50mm ball, attached to a bracket that bolts to the rear crossmember on the Defender. Not sure how it attaches to the plush SUV models.

If you have a receiver hitch on a LR product, are you sure they built and installed the hitch?
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We have two 2005 Land Rover Defenders ( the real Land Rovers), a D90 and a D110. Living in a British Overseas Territory, we don't have the same restrictions we would have in the USA, where nothing newer than 97 has been imported.

I wanted to ask more about the hitch. Does LR put receiver hitches on their vehicles that are sold in the USA? Because receiver hitches are illegal in the UK, so they are not OEM. Over there they use a 50mm ball, attached to a bracket that bolts to the rear crossmember on the Defender. Not sure how it attaches to the plush SUV models.

If you have a receiver hitch on a LR product, are you sure they built and installed the hitch?
Interesting. The plush models have a removable cast hitch receiver that inserts into the rear crossmember. I have five Land Rovers. A 1959 109 Safari wagon, a 1968 Dormobile, 1983 military soft top LWB, 1994 NAS D90, 2011 LR4 premium luxury.

My older trucks have a height adjustable towball bracket that bolts into the rear crossmember. The military has a pintle hookup in front and rear.
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