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09-14-2013, 06:00 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Originally Posted by mojo
Sorry but I don't see the max trailer weight as meaningless. My Lariat ecoboost is rated to tow 11,300 lbs. Of course that is with the truck empty with no added accesories. One driver at 150 lbs and full tank of gas is included. Payload capacity is 1755 lbs., so subtract the hitch weight and you have the amount of weight you can add to the payload in gear and people. This then needs to be subtracted from the trailer weight as well. But by loading gear into your trailer and carefully monitoring the placement you can affect the weight distribution in the trailer as long as you don't exceed the GWR of the trailer. So I have no problem towing a 7300 lb trailer without exceeding hitch weight or payload. You can not make blanket statements solely based upon what your Toyota can do and what you personally pack.
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Be careful how you rate the load capacity of your AS, you are in the same position I am with our Classic.....7300lb GVWR on 7000lbs worth of axles.
JC has updated the axle ratings on some of the newer models, I hope they also updated the axles.
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7300 Lb. GVWR • 7000 Lb. Axle System • 5870#UBW • 1030#NCC • Styled Aluminum Wheels • Radial Black Wall Tires, LRD 15" • 12" Electric Drum Brakes • Stabilizer Jacks w/Pads (4) • Double Steel Step • Manual Hitch Jack • Spare Tire Bracket
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09-14-2013, 07:48 AM
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#42
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,151
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Be careful how you rate the load capacity of your AS, you are in the same position I am with our Classic.....7300lb GVWR on 7000lbs worth of axles.
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Yes but not all of the weight is resting on the axles. The jack stand and hitch carry a portion of the weight. I have spent a lot of time with a Sherline hitch scale and unlimited weighs at the local co-op scales in order to measure various set-ups with my Ford Ecoboost and VW Touareg. Remember, all of the manufacturer ratings are calculated numbers based on some theoretical formula. I'm not aware of any manufacturer that has done actual tests adding weight until something breaks in order to set empirical towing and hitch and payload weights.
I'm not saying it is safe to ignore these numbers but I do average around 15K miles of AS towing annually and have been doing so with these vehicles for the past 7 years so I am pretty comfortable with what they can do when at max limits.
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2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Duramax Diesel
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09-14-2013, 07:59 AM
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#43
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo
Yes but not all of the weight is resting on the axles. The jack stand and hitch carry a portion of the weight. I have spent a lot of time with a Sherline hitch scale and unlimited weighs at the local co-op scales in order to measure various set-ups with my Ford Ecoboost and VW Touareg. Remember, all of the manufacturer ratings are calculated numbers based on some theoretical formula. I'm not aware of any manufacturer that has done actual tests adding weight until something breaks in order to set empirical towing and hitch and payload weights.
I'm not saying it is safe to ignore these numbers but I do average around 15K miles of AS towing annually and have been doing so with these vehicles for the past 7 years so I am pretty comfortable with what they can do when at max limits.
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Please tell that to the CAT scales.....
I believe these tickets accurately represent the "on the road load" for our Classics' axles. (un-sprung excluded).
I would feel much more better with 500lbs wiggle room.
Not to mention adding a little to our 676lb CCC, a bit of a joak in itself.
Bob
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09-14-2013, 08:33 AM
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,151
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Yeah, I've got a varied collection of weight tickets, none of which match as I am continuously adding and subtracting items and testing different methods of packing with both tow vehicles. Just need to learn what you really need and what you don't based on where you're going and kind of camping planned.
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2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Duramax Diesel
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09-14-2013, 08:42 AM
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#45
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Thats our problem also....and exactly why I would love a little more actual CCC.
It's also why the trailer goes on stands for Winter storage.....save the axle's for actual road work. (better for tires too)
Bob
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09-14-2013, 08:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,319
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Please tell that to the CAT scales.....
I believe these tickets accurately represent the "on the road load" for our Classics' axles. (un-sprung excluded).
I would feel much more better with 500lbs wiggle room.
Not to mention adding a little to our 676lb CCC, a bit of a joak in itself.
Bob
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Bob, I know you have a heavier tow vehicle than I did when I towed the 25' Classic, but you must carry A LOT of really HEAVY STUFF in your trailer as you are almost 1600 pounds heavier than I was.
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09-14-2013, 08:50 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveH
Bob, I know you have a heavier tow vehicle than I did when I towed the 25' Classic, but you must carry A LOT of really HEAVY STUFF in your trailer as you are almost 1600 pounds heavier than I was.
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Yep....set for 3wks 'dock'n. on that trip.
I was waiting in the grocery store parking lot when the DW came back with at least 250lbs more STUFF
Bob
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04-12-2014, 03:45 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 22
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We have a 2013 Ford F-150, 6 cylinder with Ecoboost. In September we took a 7,000 mile trip towing our 25 foot 1997 Airstream Excella, round trip to the Grand Canyon. We had no problem towing at all. Our gas mileage while towing was between 11 and 12 mpg.
The most interesting experience was towing out of the Palo Duro canyon in Texas. The incline is approximately 10 degrees for about a mile. The F-150 never got over 2,000 RPM, and came out of the canyon with no problem at all. We are quite satisfied with the F-150.
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04-14-2014, 10:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
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I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss...
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2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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04-15-2014, 04:45 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JFScheck
I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss...
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Would you care to elaborate on that?
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04-15-2014, 04:56 AM
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#51
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4 Rivet Member
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
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Had a Ford Platinum 6.2 2012, traded it on a 3/4 GMC diesel, pull a 30ft FC throughout Colorado and high mountain New Mexico--normal altitude 7,000- 9,500 ft, torque, braking and mountain grades never an issue.
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04-15-2014, 11:29 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,515
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess
Would you care to elaborate on that?
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Not following the "Max Payload" of a vehicle as provided by the vehicle manufacturer and only utilizing the tow vehicle ratings.
This has lead to our famous saying around here - "The scales are your best friend"!
Those familiar with these threads will know what I am referencing.
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2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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04-15-2014, 11:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JFScheck
Not following the "Max Payload" of a vehicle as provided by the vehicle manufacturer and only utilizing the tow vehicle ratings.
This has lead to our famous saying around here - "The scales are your best friend"!
Those familiar with these threads will know what I am referencing.
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Ah. Thank you.
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04-15-2014, 12:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2020 30' Classic
Derwood
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,515
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess
Ah. Thank you.
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I will admit though, I am the first one to sometimes "overanalyze" something so....
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2020 30’ Airstream Classic
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