Ford Powerstroke VS Duramax and Cummings

[Ted S.]

I still drive a 6.0 Powerstroke. Mainly because there are no more 3/4 ton diesel SUVs. I own an Excursion.

I would love a new truck, but honestly, these new diesels scare me. Will they still go 400k with all their complexities and emission controls? Are they expected to run that long?

[21Airstream]

Probably not. I doubt the EGR and DPF will do anything other than shorten the life of our Cummins Turbo Diesel.

[Silverbee]

Originally Posted by carl2591

not saying you will have issues. My BIL has a 2011 with 80Kish and no issues thus far but he drives like he stole it and pulls the 5er very little. It has no mods at all.

here are some videos I have seen on powerstrokehelp.com and other videos.

https://youtu.be/2qqs3nhoFrk

https://youtu.be/ogjEwzTx1qA

https://youtu.be/HN8L4ZTGtOs

I tend to be wary of new models especially motors that are such a technology update like the 6.7 scorpion motor. I believe the 6.7 is now like from year 2015 one of the best in class engines for diesel.

the big thing is regular maintenance and Used Oil Analysts, UOA, at least once every two years or less to keep up with what is going on in the engine.

Carl:
Thank you for this information. The link regarding glow plugs was particularly enlightening. I just spoke with the dealer. Replacement cost for the glow plugs is $830 on our 2011 F250 Super Duty with 26,000 miles. He has seen 3 engines destroyed by the broken plugs. Most recent quote for engine replacement was $17,400. Also spoke with Ford. Even if our truck was still under warranty, plug replacement would not be covered-only after engine destruction. I see that I can order the latest glow plugs online but not sure I want to risk self-replacement. $832 is a big repair but has to be looked at as insurance against engine failure. Does not seem fair to not cover a manufacturer's defect that has engine failure as a potential. I post this as an alert to other owners. Other than this, I believe that we have a great truck that has performed wonderfully in towing our Airstream including a 6000 mile round trip to Wyoming in 2015. Dealer says it is a great engine otherwise. Another issue he mentioned is a plastic oil pan that can be compromised by over tightening of the pan plug. Best to get oil changes at the dealer where they pay attention to this issue.
Tom

[Isuzusweet]

I know the OP did ask for a comparison of Ford/Chev/Ram diesels, but there is one more to consider now.........

Nissan XD with the Cummins V8 diesel. The one thing I do like about the Nissan is the 6 speed Aisin® automatic transmission. Aisin build bulletproof tranny's. Volvo used them in their XC90 V8 versions for years. 6 speeds are good enough, you don't need anymore IMHO.

Cheers
Tony

[m.hony]

The OP was comparing 3/4 ton trucks. The Titan is still a 1/2 ton truck.
The Titan is a very expensive 1/2 truck with a goose-neck ball in the bed and not enough payload or towing capacity.
The 5.6 Titan has more payload and towing capacity and costs less.

[Bruce B]

A couple of things I'd add to this thread.
A page or so back there was talk about Ford gas 5.4 spark plugs. Ford re-engineered that spark plug in mid 2009 so anything from that date on is just a normal plug change.
We purchased a 2016 Ram 2500 this spring and after 8000 miles, about 25% of then towing our diminutive Bambi we have averaged 18.3 mpg. I am amazed with the fuel mileage!
The one thing the RAM had that no one here seems to have mentioned is the smallest turning radius. At 43' it is almost 10' less than the GM/Chevy. That is important for us as our driveway is tight. It is actually easier to park the RAM than our previous 2010 F-150 Super Crew.
Just because I know people will scratch their heads at pulling a Bambi with a 2500, we were after the payload. I like my vehicles optioned up and payload suffers. I could have chosen an aluminum F-150 but as much as I loved my previous Ford, electrically it was not the most reliable thing.
Here is my Fuelly account...
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ram/2500/2...erbeard/423884

[m.hony]

Turning radius is a consideration.
My 2007 Tundra CrewMax turns as tight as my 1999 Nissan Pathfinder.


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[Isuzusweet]

Originally Posted by m.hony

The OP was comparing 3/4 ton trucks. The Titan is still a 1/2 ton truck.
The Titan is a very expensive 1/2 truck with a goose-neck ball in the bed and not enough payload or towing capacity.
The 5.6 Titan has more payload and towing capacity and costs less.

Car&Driver review.

Its half-ton size and almost-three-quarter-ton capability make the Titan XD the right size for many shoppers. The 5.6-liter V-8 makes 401 lb-ft and pairs to a seven-speed automatic with rear- or four-wheel drive; an optional Cummins 5.0-liter turbo-diesel V-8 comes with a six-speed automatic, makes 555 lb-ft, and can tow over 6 tons. The compliant ride and supportive seats mean superb long-haul comfort. The Single Cab, new for 2017, has an 8.0-foot bed; Crew Cab models get a 6.5-foot bed.

There's nothing 1/2 ton about this truck. Over 12,000lb tow rating.

Cheers
Tony

[wbrisett]

Originally Posted by Isuzusweet

There's nothing 1/2 ton about this truck. Over 12,000lb tow rating.

I was going to toss this Cummings out there. To add on to this, it's rated as a heavy duty vehicle and is exempt from any sort of fuel economy ratings. The videos I've seen of the Nissan towing are impressive. The fuel economy is so-so, but it could be the engine needed a bit of breaking in.

I went with the Duramax recently, but really any of them would have worked. For me it was a matter of options and price. Ford isn't discounting the 2017's at this point (and that's what's available around here), RAM was nice, but I just liked the ride and noise level better in the Chevy (I also test rode the GMC, but other than price it was identical from a ride perspective).

Like a few others, I think it really boils down to what you like when you test them out. All of the current crop of ¾ ton engines are great... and overkill for our towing needs (I hardly knew I had the Airstream behind me this past weekend when I was out), so it's really personal preference.

-Wayne

[ROBERT CROSS]

How about a VOLVO?

Bob

[switz]

The Nissan payload numbers are shy of the ¾ ton crowd numbers. With our 1,200 pound tongue weight on the Classic and all the stuff in the back of our 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins, the lower Nissan payload numbers would not make the cut.

[m.hony]

Lackluster payload, economy, power, towing capacity and high price-
The Titan has never been a game changer or even in the game- not even a player.
Ford may sell 5 times more F150s than Toyota sells Tundras, but Toyota probably sells 5 times more Tundras than Nissan sells Titans.

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by m.hony

Lackluster payload, economy, power, towing capacity and high price-
The Titan has never been a game changer or even in the game- not even a player.
Ford may sell 5 times more F150s than Toyota sells Tundras, but Toyota probably sells 5 times more Tundras than Nissan sells Titans.

Wow! something we finally agree on.

[m.hony]

I ain't mad at ya.

[THEPILL]

Update:

2017 Ford Superduty numbers are in...

440 HP 925 lbs torque.



Hello?.........( crickets)....

[CRH]

Those are impressive numbers, but way more truck than I need.

[tjdonahoe]

After reading all this , I will stick with my dodge....

[xrvr]

250,350,450?

[THEPILL]

Originally Posted by avionstream

250,350,450?

If your asking me, all of them.

[THEPILL]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

After reading all this , I will stick with my dodge....