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Old 08-25-2016, 09:00 PM   #211
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really ?

I saw the title of the thread F150 vs F250. Hmmm I thought , aren't they on the same team ?
Maybe it is like Spy vs Spy ?

Interesting thread. I don't know about a 3.55 rear end. I think that maybe to tall. I had one. It was good for running up and down the interstate, that's about it.

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I saw the title of the thread F150 vs F250. Hmmm I thought , aren't they on the same team ?
Maybe it is like Spy vs Spy ?

Interesting thread. I don't know about a 3.55 rear end. I think that maybe to tall. I had one. It was good for running up and down the interstate, that's about it.

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Between the 6-speed auto and the low-RPM torque of the 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.55:1 seems to work pretty well. It's now the configuration for the "Max Tow" option from Ford, in fact. On my old 5.4 with the 4-speed it's a little tall for the mountains, but does OK with my vintage 24' trailer most of the time.
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Just looked at an Ford F150 XLT extended cab with 5 L engine and the comparable F250 with 6.2 L engine. F150 had a cargo capacity of 2000 lbs, F250 2900. What do you think about the capabilities of the F150 for towing a 25 or 27' AS? It has the payload capacity but what about the 5 L engine? The attractive part of the F150 would be its gas mileage for daily driving. Coincidentally sticker price if around 44,000 for each.
Very easy question to answer. Both vehicles are very good but the extra capacity of the F250 is a huge advantage. If your truck is dedicated for towing go for the F250. If the truck is your only vehicle and you use it on a day to day basis the F150 is cheaper to run and much more comfortable but make sure it has the payload you need. The payload vary from 1700 pounds to 2900 pounds depending on the versions. In all circumstances make sure you get the max towing packages with extended mirrors. The selling prices of both are very close both the running cost of the F250 is higher. The reselling price of the F250 is excellent. I owned a 2016 Denali 2500 duramax fully loaded and I bought it new at just 3000$ more than a F150 Titanium. I made the right choice for me and love the truck.
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:56 AM   #214
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Why would the running cost be different if they are both gas.?
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Why would the running cost be different if they are both gas.?
Recent SuperDuty gas engines were the V10 or the 6.2 V8, for 2017 it's only the 6.2L V8. I'm not sure when the last year you could get the 5.4 in the F250 was. The F150 set up for towing will be either a 5-liter V8 or the 3.5L Ecoboost, so between the heavier SuperDuty truck itself and the bigger engine, you'll likely spend a bit more in fuel when NOT towing. It'll probably be pretty close when towing, though. As it was stated higher up the thread, there's a minimum amount of energy required to move a heavy truck+trailer combo.
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:37 PM   #216
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What a discussion! First, as to brand, I understand what M Hony says about Maverick and Taurus. Our experiences can impact future choices. My vehicle choices and problems tell me to stay away from GM and Toyota(Lexus)- even purchasing new- HOWEVER, I veer from that when shopping for a product initially. (see later on subjective). I start on paper with stats and also with research data on SIGNIFICANT issues. Then I get to specific need. This was critical in hunting for a tow vehicle. This part of the information is mostly void of bias and should be sharable too, for example, any forum member looking for a tow vehicle.

One thing that impacts all of us is what some have posted as the modern engine. You have to start looking at how each company has approached the task of providing efficient power, the electronics, that meets the spec you need and then finally pick the one that appeals (the subjective).

I shopped all 1/2 tons and researched for 2015 models. I learned quite a bit. Right now I honestly attest that I have concern over the longevity of direct injection implementation and the engine cylinder deactivation. These are real issues that are not my OPINION but design issues that the companies have acknowledged. I speak of Ford, GM and Honda. I do not have any trouble with my truck but I now know that Ecoboosts have excessive carbon buildup that can be an early issue if driven like I drive- short trips, etc. THAT IS WHY Ford redesigned their engine to be Direct/Port injected for 2017- to eliminate the problem as it will rear its head once some mileage is there for many owners. But before you jump to buy a GM be aware that they have that deactivation problem with oil blow-by and excessive oil increase that, they acknowledge is noted only on some ""high mileage engines beginning around 30,000 miles""- 30K is not high mileage! I posted the links to this in another thread. Honda too acknowledged and issue with the technology. As far as turbos go, I have checked for issues and have not found any to report or be concerned with.

If I were shopping today, and I might be, I would go straight in to the Ford dealer and buy an Ecoboost just like I have in the 2017 model. I find the implementation superb but I am not happy about the potential direct injection issue. I am retiring and do not want a known issue to show its ugly head the day after the warranty expires. Now, my father said he would keep the truck and drive it regardless as there are too many out there just doing fine. He also drove a Taurus for years 260K miles w/ 2 transmissions.BTW this
DI issue is/has impacted all truck brands so, check to see what the various companies are doing about it! Ford redesigned the engine ports/manifolds.

ON the TOPIC of 1/2 to 3/4 ton, I would say you have to look at payload capacity and determine if you have the need for the greater capacity. The half ton is going to have a ton or so payload nowadays in a Ford but you have to look at the truck. They are EACH different depending on various factors. I know mine is reduced 200# by the wheel choice. 20" package.
The 3.73 axle Ecoboost gives you better towing experience but lower gas mileage driving it solo. I have experimented with mine and at 80 MPH i get 16 mpg. I can get 23mpg toting around at 60mph. This engine needs to be driven hard to keep from carbon buildup. I never developed this problem with my 2012 because for the last 3 years I use it strictly as our AS TV and use 91 octane fuel at all times.
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Looks like with the 3:73 rear end gear ratio mileage is very good.
3:73 gears should be a very good compromise for power, economy, and towing.
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I can only find P-rated tires in 275/55R20.
I've been towing with P-rated tires all these years.
I would love LT tires, but can't find the right size in LT.
I'll just keep doing what I've been doing.
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Tire question on F150-F250 thread??

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I can only find P-rated tires in 275/55R20.
I've been towing with P-rated tires all these years.
I would love LT tires, but can't find the right size in LT.
I'll just keep doing what I've been doing.
Not sure if you tuned into the wrong link, but thought this was discussion on F150-F250?

All the "opinion's" on which engine for the F150 are very interesting for sure...will be great to see some actual user data when the new EB come's out....for now, it is "exciting" for some of us EB owners who have experienced over 80K miles pulling AS's, that the new "options" in the F150 and even the F250 are "advances" in a proven technology. The EB is a much stronger tow vehicle, as others have stated, vs the 5.0 V8. And, the weight carrying capacity on the newer F150 models vs F250 are pretty darn impressive also! Never liked the Toyota Tundra; beefy looking, but nothing like a Ford or GM for daily driver. I did like the ride and performance on the new GM 1.2 tons with 6.2L & 8 speed, but am leery on the 8-6-4 engine, for reasons stated. I also am looking for retirement vehicle...hope to get 250K min. and do not want diesel...so watching the forums closely...
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There was a mention of an F150(?) with 20" wheels and a 200# payload deduction due to the wheels.
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Why would the running cost be different if they are both gas.?
The fuel consumption of the F250 will be between 10 to 15 mpg, the F150 will be 15 to 20 mpg. Everything else is more expensive, brake replacement, oil change, tires, etc. The weight of the F150 is approximately 5000 pounds and the F250 is 7500 pounds. The axle ratio with towing package is 3.73 on the F150 and 4.10 on the F250.
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If you need the heavier F250 which has the more robust suspension, axles, transmission and brakes then you will pay a small penalty in cost and fuel mileage because it does weigh a bit more. But you get a whole lot more robust truck and you won't be towing your airstream at close to the max rating all the time. With the F250 you can take all your stuff with you and not have to worry about it. But if you don't need all that extra capacity then stick with an F150. It will tow an airstream just fine. Just pack light and leave the extra junk at home. Yes mine is an F250 with the 6.2l and I am biased about it.
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The fuel consumption of the F250 will be between 10 to 15 mpg, the F150 will be 15 to 20 mpg. Everything else is more expensive, brake replacement, oil change, tires, etc. The weight of the F150 is approximately 5000 pounds and the F250 is 7500 pounds. The axle ratio with towing package is 3.73 on the F150 and 4.10 on the F250.
The devil is in the details, and you'd better know the details when you go truck shopping because odds are unfortunately high that your salesman will not.

On F150s, you can get a tow package with most engines and axle ratios, so you can't assume that the regular tow package gets you a 3.73:1 axle ratio. The Max Tow package includes the 3.5 Ecoboost and the 3.55:1 axle ratio, for example. The 2.7 Ecoboost with the the cargo package includes 3.73:1. I think there are a number of 2WD configurations for which they don't even offer the 3.73 diff, but it's easier to get on the 4WD trucks.
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I do not get wrapped up in the differential. The goal is to place your vehicle close to the torque curve while towing, right? With the new 6&8 speed transmissions, I simply block out 6th gear when towing. That moves me 400 rpm closer to the torque curve & my mileage actually stays the same. When not towing, I go back to normal and good gas mileage. My TV is my daily driver.
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