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06-13-2013, 02:36 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
, Wyoming
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Dead wall outlets
Can anybody tell the reason for having the wall outlets not work with battery power only on? I mean how can I watch Opra when boondocking Pff
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06-13-2013, 02:37 PM
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2017 26' Flying Cloud
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The wall outlets are 120v. Batteries are 12v.
You MAY have an optional inverter that provides AC power to some outlets when running on battery power, but it's only recently become a common thing.
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06-13-2013, 02:43 PM
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retired USA/USAF
2001 30' Excella
Somerset
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you should have 2 kinds of wall outlets. Those that look like the ones in your house. These are 120v and will only have power when the trailer is plugged in ( that is unless you have an inverter as mentioned above). You should also find a few, 2 or 3, round plug outlets. These are 12v and should be powered all the time. That is as long as you have battery power OR are plugged in. These are like the lighter plug in your car and will take a plug of that type. Useful for cell phone chargers or a 12v television.
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06-13-2013, 02:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
1953 32' Liner
1955 22' Safari
Valley View
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What DKB said.
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06-13-2013, 05:16 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
, Wyoming
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Well I can forfeit Opra, but I'll get pretty cranky if I am not able to get my coffee pot a brewing. I do imagine that I will need to get a gas generator, and plug in. Then I will have outlets working, right?
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06-13-2013, 05:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgap
Well I can forfeit Opra, but I'll get pretty cranky if I am not able to get my coffee pot a brewing. I do imagine that I will need to get a gas generator, and plug in. Then I will have outlets working, right?
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06-13-2013, 05:25 PM
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retired USA/USAF
2001 30' Excella
Somerset
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However you can you must PLUG it in to power those 120v outlets. If you're out in the boonies roughing it a generator will do the trick. If your travels have you in places cool enough there are some smaller generators out there that will do the trick nicely. If you plan to be places hot enough to want AC your choices are reduced to the larger ones capable of enough power for the AC units. We've managed 4 days with careful usage on our batteries. No AC and No heat though.
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" Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all the rest"
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TAC - NJ 18
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06-13-2013, 05:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
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Mgap - your profile doesn't say what year/kind of trailer you have. In my 2012 Flying Cloud there are a few outlets with blue labels on them. They look like regular household plugs but are meant for your flat screens so long as your inverter is on. In my trailer, that's done with a push button under the tank meters near the kitchen sink.
Good luck!
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06-13-2013, 05:38 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
, Wyoming
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Ok, so I have a 2004 Safari 25'. As far as I can tell I don't have any 12v outlets or inverter. This week I did get 2 new batteries, the 2 that came with it we all but completely dead.
If I buy the 12v coffee maker it looks like I will need to brew in my truck cab.
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06-13-2013, 05:53 PM
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1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange
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mgap,
Boil water on the stove and use a Melitta coffee maker.
Bill
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06-13-2013, 06:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgap
Ok, so I have a 2004 Safari 25'. As far as I can tell I don't have any 12v outlets or inverter. This week I did get 2 new batteries, the 2 that came with it we all but completely dead.
If I buy the 12v coffee maker it looks like I will need to brew in my truck cab.
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Hang in there now. Do you have a user manual?
If not, do any of your wall outlets have a small blue label on them? Especially near your television(s)?
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06-17-2013, 04:39 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1969 27' Overlander
Shaker Heights
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coffee
When we don't have a power hook up I have a back up solution going back to our backpacking set up and use a long time invention dating back centuries with our modern manual version being a percolator on the gas stove-works great although we do have to carry two different grinds-the price we pay
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06-17-2013, 06:45 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
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Quote:
Hang in there now. Do you have a user manual?
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Right, "Stay Calm and Carry On" Thanks for all the input. My wife bought a french press coffee maker, we will see how it works out, no electricity needed.
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06-17-2013, 07:03 AM
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Free Range Human
2012 25' FB Flying Cloud
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Use a Melita #6 cone filter. Get the one with the long neck, and you can make coffee directly into a Stanley thermos. No messy French press to clean.
Edit: just saw Bill's post. Same idea...
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06-17-2013, 07:47 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
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If not, do any of your wall outlets have a small blue label on them? Especially near your television(s)?
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No, no outlets with blue lables, so I am guessing that I don't have any 12 volt outlet. I do have a unusual outlet that is where my cable for the television plugs in. Just above the cable there is what looks like a 12volt outlet(1" wide and round)that says voc 8 amp max on it. I am assuming that it has something to do with the boobtube.
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06-17-2013, 09:33 AM
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2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgap
No, no outlets with blue lables, so I am guessing that I don't have any 12 volt outlet. I do have a unusual outlet that is where my cable for the television plugs in. Just above the cable there is what looks like a 12volt outlet(1" wide and round)that says voc 8 amp max on it. I am assuming that it has something to do with the boobtube.
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That round thing is a 12 volt accessory outlet. You can plug in things like cell phone car chargers and if you find a 12-volt flatscreen that would probably be more efficient than having an inverter powering a 120-volt TV anyway.
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06-17-2013, 05:09 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2004 25' Safari
Laramie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DKB_SATX
That round thing is a 12 volt accessory outlet. You can plug in things like cell phone car chargers and if you find a 12-volt flatscreen that would probably be more efficient than having an inverter powering a 120-volt TV anyway.
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Thanks for the information. Hmm I wonder if I could plug my laptop computer in for a charge on that one?
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06-17-2013, 05:21 PM
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retired USA/USAF
2001 30' Excella
Somerset
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I just looked at the charger for my Mac-book. It says 15 amp. but that's through a
130-240 v outlet. If you have a 12v charger check what the draw is. It might work.
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" Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all the rest"
Winston Churchill 1948
TAC - NJ 18
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06-17-2013, 05:46 PM
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2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polarlyse
I just looked at the charger for my Mac-book. It says 15 amp. but that's through a
130-240 v outlet. If you have a 12v charger check what the draw is. It might work.
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Magsafe output should be 85 watts... which comes in just under the 8A at 12V listed on that outlet. Since you're really generally dealing with 12.7 volts or more, it should be a little under 7A assuming 100% efficiency, so there's a little wiggle room.
Even 1.5A at 120v is 180W... more than double what they list as the nominal rating of the Magsafe 2 adapter.
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Zero Gravitas — 2017 Flying Cloud 26U | WBCCI# 15566
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06-26-2013, 08:40 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2005 22' Safari
Half Moon Bay
, California
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Recommend solar battery charging, and inverter for 110 volts for charging laptop computer. 12 volts is marginal. Generally for boondocking avoid electrical use unless you have a solar charger. Anything requiring heat is more efficient with propane - french press or filter drip coffee works great with a kettle on the stove.
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