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Old 01-03-2016, 10:49 PM   #1
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Exclamation Hope I didn't bite off more than I can chew? 1969 Caravel full remodel

Proud new owner of a 1969 18í AS Caravel.First time RV/Trailer owner so I know VERY LITTLE about the inís and outís of what it takes to refurbish and maintain a trailer. Iíve done a lot of reading on the forum lately and there is some really good information on here for sure that has helped thus far and given me some ideas as well. Iíd like to do a full interior remodel of the rig b/c I would love to keep this trailer in my family for the next 40 years. The trailer is in pretty good shape for being 45 yrs old. It lived the majority of itís life in the dry desert. The previous owners had painted it silver probably 20 years ago b/c they got tired of polishing it and currently it is peeling very badly so Iím definitely going to strip and polish the whole thing. I think I have a good handle on what it will take for me to complete that process. The POís started to do some demo on the interior as well but decided to give up for whatever reason so I didnít purchase a fully intact 69 Caravel.

I want to document my remodel b/c I really couldn't find any other 69 Caravel remodel on the forum and also so that I can ask a question or two from time to time to get some great advice if I canít readily find my answer on the forum. Attached youíll see some pics of the original AS when I bought it and my progress thus far. Right now Iím to the point of trying to figure out how to rewire and replumb and wondering if I can repair a weak spot in my floor myself without lifting up the shell (see pic)???

The rig was originally laid out w/ a gaucho couch in front w/ the freshwater tank underneath and a table that folded out from beside the couch. All those components have been discarded (except for the fresh water tank) prior to my purchase of the trailer so Iíd be starting from scratch if I try to recreate that. The curb side had a fridge just adjacent to the door and it was also discarded prior to my purchase and after the fridge was an L shaped couch that butted up to the bathroom which you can see is in the picture attached. The closet and kitchen (oven/cooktop and sink) then make up the remaining portion of the street side of the trailer.

My vision thus far for my remodel: I have a wife and two young kids (6 and 2) and I think I think Iím going to go w/ the original layout in my remodel. Partly b/c I canít come up w/ a better layout and partly b/c thatís just the way this rig was intended originally so why mess with it?! But Iím open to suggestions if anyone has any. So unless I change my mind Iím going to have some kind of bed up front and then Iím going to try to create a bunk bed on the curb side beside the fridge so that both my kids have a spot to sleep. Up front Iím considering moving the fresh water tank somewhere else if possible b/c I really like the pics Iíve seen of the booth like dining set up that converts to a bed. Where else could I put a fresh water tank?

In regards with where I am right now in the remodel w/ the plumbing and electric I have to do some research and make some decisions b/c I donít have a clear path in mind just yet about some critical things which will factor in on how I plumb and rewire I suppose. Lots of learning in my future for sure!!!
All in one Dometic AC&Heat unit v/s Dometic AC and separate gas furnace for heat?
Of these what should I plan on installing??? Gas Range , Oven, Microwave Oven
Best way to set up the electric?3 battery system w/ inverter? Solar panels?

Thanks in advance fellow ASíers for any feedback.Happy New Year.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:52 PM   #2
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Lots of potential. Pretty sure you'll need a new axle. Use Pex for all your plumbing. Before you go too far drop the belly pan and look at the frame, I think that will inform you if you need to do a full monte.
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Old 01-07-2016, 12:15 PM   #3
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Welcome to the 69 club :-)

I am pretty certain you could still have the U shaped dinette you crave keeping your water tank in its original location.

Have a look at some of my past posts from working on my '69 Safari. We replaced our subfloor and did frame repairs shell on and for the record Krylon fusion spray paint, Mr. Clean magic Erasers and and bleachy bathroom sprays are now your new best friends.

And definetly go with pex if you are redoing your plumbing

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Old 01-10-2016, 07:45 AM   #4
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So almost ready to take the shell off. I've got a couple of issues to get past first though.
1) my roof will only have one opening where current fan/vent is so i'll have to create another one (hopefully where future a/c will go) so that I can get the second gantry chain down through the roof. shouldn't be difficult at all I just hope if pick the right section where the a/c will go.
2)The banana pieces came off pretty easily.
3)almost all of the screws that were holding the c-channel to the subfloor came up easy but some I stripped out and had to just pry away from the subfloor. And those pesky bolts that they install that are flat on top w/ a nut screwed on and then bend at the factory are almost undone. Some unscrewed, some broke off when I tried to straighten them, and some I had to break off w/ large flathead screwdriver (used as a chisel)and a hammer.
4)now I just need to figure out how to get the front end of the shell separated from that flat metal piece that appears to be attached to the frame somehow. looks like there some kind of rivet that comes up from underneath. I'm guessing i'll need to remove enough of the belly pan in that area to see what's going on under there.

Then I should be ready to build some gantries and prepare for liftoff!
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Old 01-10-2016, 04:14 PM   #5
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Hi Bucketlisttx,

Nice trailer! Thanks for posting your redo process; fun to follow and helps the next redo'er.

The AC hole placement is a good question that some of the folks who have done before will need to chime in on. Weight placement of the AC unit is a main consideration. And make a note to install a drain line before walls and insulation are done.

That flat metal piece is the L-shaped hold down plate. It is an integral part of the body-to-frame structure, and there is also a rear one below the back access door. It sits on the frame crossmember and the subfloor is on top of it. The fasteners, then, go through c-channel, subfloor, hold down plate, then crossmember. To lift off the shell, you will need to drill out the rows of rivets holding the vertical part of the "L" to the exterior skin.

I know it seems every step brings 5 new steps, but just have fun with it. It will all be worth it to do and do well.

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Old 01-18-2016, 08:26 AM   #6
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Update 3

Shell is off and subfloor removed this weekend.
Note to self (or any other future first timer who might stumble across this): The weight of the door and door frame and the fact that I was on ground that wasn't completely level to begin with caused my whole shell to sway right into a gantry when the shell lifted away from the trailer. I didn't really damage the shell but it sure cause some anxiety when it initially happened. I ended up just tying the door side of the shell to the that gantry post on that side so that hung more in the middle of the gantry.
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Old 01-18-2016, 11:16 AM   #7
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Note to self (or any other future first timer who might stumble across this): The weight of the door and door frame and the fact that I was on ground that wasn't completely level to begin with caused my whole shell to sway right into a gantry when the shell lifted away from the trailer. I didn't really damage the shell but it sure cause some anxiety when it initially happened. I ended up just tying the door side of the shell to the that gantry post on that side so that hung more in the middle of the gantry.
Oh my goodness I am sure watching your shell swing towards the posts must have caused near heart failure, definitely thank you for sharing that info :-)
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Old 01-18-2016, 09:21 PM   #8
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Nice! Glad to see you popped the shell. It was a lot of fun lifting mine. I think it is going to just make everything easier in the long run. Plus, can you imagine putting on all that insulation and belly pan from underneath on your back? I'm young, but I am to old for that! Flip that frame and rebuild the easy way... Good luck! Will keep following you to see how it goes!
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Old 01-24-2016, 01:37 PM   #9
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Good show, and good job.
As you said there was a gaucho before. I would recommend you add some cross members to keep the spans more realistic. I like 16" OC, but in my 25' I put in two members to obtain a span under 16", ended up at 13' OC.
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:38 PM   #10
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Humpty has completely fallen off the wall and now it's time to build him back up again.
Been prepping the trailer frame for another 50 yrs of service hopefully.
1st and 2nd coats of POR have been applied over the last few weeks. Now I guess I can look to source some new wheel wells and the new subfloor.
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Old 02-20-2016, 07:58 PM   #11
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Well, I definitely do not think you bit more than you can chew. You're in the midst of a "full monte" renovation. Lifting the shell to gain full access to the frame is the best way to rebuild the trailer.

Keep us posted on your progress like you have been doing. I hope you have a good plan developed for your trailer. I would recommend a gray water tank under the subfloor. You will likely replumb your trailer and maybe rewire it too. We looked at the new Airstream 16' at the RV show and was impressed with the big bed in back and the dinette in front. Take a look at some of the floor layouts in the new small trailer from Airstream since you are building from the ground up. It may give you some ideas.

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Old 02-21-2016, 02:25 PM   #12
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Funny you mention RV Show b/c I plan on doing just what you said next weekend when Dallas has their convention. Hoping to get some ideas for sure.
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Well, don't get the idea to buy a new one. The new ones are very nice indeed. Hard to resist.

But do take a close look at the Sport or the smallest Airstream on display. I liked the big bed in back, although forget about walking around it. It's a bed for unrolling your bedroll and crashing. And it is a first in, last out double bed. The front dinette that makes into a bed was good too. It had a small galley, and a "water closet" for a bathroom. The whole rig was a very functional weekender.

We didn't see anything that compared to the design and quality of the Airstream trailers. But there's the price.

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Old 06-19-2016, 03:21 PM   #14
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It's been slow going the past couple months but I'm ready to make some progress this summer while is a comfortable 150 degrees here in TX!
I've managed to wire in a new trailer harness and run the wires all the way down the length of the frame as you'll see in the first two pics. I hope I did it correctly.
I've also put down the new floor with the new wheel wells. I went w/ the Advantech subfloor material b/c it was a good price point for my budget and I saw that a few post'rs had mentioned they used it w/ no issues. I went ahead and sealed it w/ a few coats of basic Thompson's water seal and also a coat of Spar Varnish on the outside edges of the floor.

Unfortunately I can't flip my trailer over b/c of a space and muscle issue so it's a lot of horrible work on my back for a while.

I'm working on putting some insulation underneath the subfloor first. Going with some rigid foam insulation from Home Depot down there and I hope it works out. I think the R value might be a bit overkill when you add up 5" of this material but I'm thinking it'll add a nice semi-hard surface for the belly pan to butt up against where it's not riveted to the frame. (I'll show some pics of that on my next post when it's all installed) I'm also going to put in a fresh water tank at the front of the trailer and a grey water tank in the rear. Both of them on the underneath side of my subfloor just to free up as much space on the inside of this trailer as I can b/c she's a small little lady. Waiting on those to come in from VintageTrailerSupply. Any suggestions on how to secure the water tanks to the frame and or subfloor???
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