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Old 02-20-2009, 11:40 AM   #15
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Boy, I'd like to see them try this on my MG. The speedometer waggles around like a flag in the wind.


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Old 02-20-2009, 11:45 AM   #16
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All this has renewed my enthusiam for a frame off resotration of my old 79 F-250. I am halfway there with new running gear already. it just needs a new wireing harness and a new body..damn..I hate computers even more now.

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Old 02-20-2009, 12:19 PM   #17
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You knew this..

It' more or less in place already.
The software is out there, up and running now.. to the point of targeting your vehicle's data specifically.
Here's an example..crude form's just a question of software driven..
Datastorm Users
Here's some examples of the remote-control features that are already in place~
1.Open/close your doors locks.
2.start/stop the engine,
3."fence" in the vehicle's coordinates for intrusion/boundaries alarms,
4.speed/heading in real-time,
5.distance traveled recalled per days/hours,
6.automatic shut off if vehicle travels outside the fenced boundaries..anti thief,
7.real-time GPS forwarding to law-enforcement agencies,
8.fuel consumptions,
9.real-time audio/video communication/monitoring with occupancy of vehicle.
Just to name a few things that can be performed at will.
Of course, if you are a big enough "fish",
they do have the abilities to bring up a series of satellite just for you and...
Track you till (_) freezes over..
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:38 PM   #18
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Miles driven tax ...

One place to express your thoughts about the idea of taxing miles driven: Welcome to the White House and select the "Contact Us" tab at the top right of the page.

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Old 02-20-2009, 01:31 PM   #19
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It's called "On Star" it's capable of all that the Gov't want's and more.
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:39 PM   #20
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Gas consumption should help

I think the most effective argument against this is that it taxes gas hogs at the same rate as more fuel efficient vehicles. I suppose the government would attempt to "weight" the per mile rate eventually, but that is already done effectively by taxing gas - burn more gas, pay more tax.

Of course, with the current trend to tax and spend, I wouldn't put it past them to tax BOTH mileage and gas eventually. I can see it now:

Step 1. Enact a .25 cent per mile tax
Step 2. Listen to the howls of rage from the greenies with fuel efficient vehicles who are now paying taxes at the same rate as the evil people hauling Airstreams with Suburbans
Step 3. Enact a gas tax to make the heavy consumers pay more
Step 3.5 Don't repeal Step 1 (How often do taxes get repealed?)
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:40 PM   #21
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Is this just one more trial balloon on the road to.
Hello Comrades
I am from the Politburo of the government and I am here to help you.
It has been noted that this thread is posting remarkes that are not in the best interest of the government as found in the "Congressional recovery action plan"(crap)
You will please remember you are now subjects not citizens you gave that up.
Comrades the government is the solution.Your capacity for self-government was abandoned.

Are we going to let this be our country's future?
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:52 PM   #22
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We can combat this nonsense with the automotive version of the aluminium foil hat.

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Old 02-20-2009, 01:57 PM   #23
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This is classic misdirection. A miles traveled tax is a nonstarter for any number of reasons. One, the environmentalists want you to drive smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. Gas taxes work much better as an incentive to consume less fuel. A VMT tax does not. Two, it is much easier to control a smaller number of fuel pumps than a much larger number of vehicles. Since the gas tax is a pass through, there is less incentive to cheat (by distributers). There would be a tremendous incentive for vehicle owners to cheat... and they would have unfettered access to their own vehicles. About five minutes after a VMT tax passed, there would be market in devices designed to thwart the tax.

Everyone knows the VMT tax will go down in flames, but this allows the Administration to have an easier go of an increase in the gas tax... which is most assuredly going to come. They can now argue... at least we killed the VMT tax.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:08 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by markdoane View Post
Within a decade we'll be paying the same or higher gas tax, plus a mileage and weight tax, to drive on their privatized toll roads.
Let me tell you about those "privatized" toll roads.

Here in Orange County, Ca, wem have the 73 "privately financed" toll road.

To me, a privately financed toll road is when some of us get together, acquire rights of way, financing etc, build a road, put a gate at each end and charge for it's use. No public money involved. I have no problem with this concept.

Hear this........A dear friend owns two dog and cat hospitals, each about a mile from opposite ends of the 73 "privately financed" toll road. a few years ago he decided to do massive re-models on both.
When he went to get the permits from Orange County, he not only had to pay the permit fee, but a $30,000 fee on one and a $60,000 fee on the other because of his "proximity" to the 73 "privately financed" toll road.

I brought this to the attention of then California Assemblyman Larry Bowler of Elk Grove, CA, at a legislative conference of California Car Clubs. Assemblyman Bowler made a call and confirmed that yes, my friend had indeed had to pay those fees, and they had gone to the California general fund.

Also, public money is used for law enforcement on those roads, as well as bailing them out when they are financially unsuccessful, as is the 73.

So much for "privately financed" toll roads.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:34 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by B4WEDI View Post
Is this where we are headed Mr. Orwell ??

AP Interview: Transportation secretary says taxing how much we drive may replace gasoline tax --

......."The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours...... The devices also could be programmed to charge higher rates to vehicles that are heavier, like trucks that put more stress on roadways. "

How would this effect your style ??
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Old 02-20-2009, 04:47 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by ZoominC6 View Post
One day there will be another Boston Tea Party and it won't be without a blood letting I fear. How much can the taxpayer take sitting down? Just my two cents worth.
It's being discussed in Chicago now !

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Let's think a little.
Suppose that most manufacturers follow Mercedes Benz stated intention to get out of gasoline powered vehicles in the next 10 years or so.

Gasoline use falls to a very low level. Gas tax therefore falls to a very low level.

What is being proposed is a way of funding road repair/replacement instead of the gas tax. This ensures your neighbor who buys a Volt, electric Focus, Tesla, or Th!nk City pays for some of the road.

There are easier ways to to it, of course. Residents of many states already have an annual inspection - adding an odometer check would have about the same result.

Probably what will happen first is that license plates will be based on the GVWR and displacement. Ironic, possibly, given the tea talk, that Mass appears to be considering this already in the form of a "Hummer Tax" (Boston Globe article link).
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:06 PM   #28
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One day there will be another Boston Tea Party and it won't be without a blood letting I fear. How much can the taxpayer take sitting down? Just my two cents worth.
You are not alone in your prediction:

Note--the video takes a long time to download - but you can read the text by clickng on the headline.

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