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Old 03-05-2015, 12:57 PM   #15
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We just did the route through Cloudcroft to Alamogrodo. Not a problem at all! We stayed 3 nights at Oliver Lee State campground just south of Alamogrodo, great campground and you can explore White Sands and the space museum from there.
I second the recommendation on this State Park - great little campground, and White Sands and the Museum are definitely worth a day layover.
I would recommend one of the ranger guided tours in White Sands or the Dune Nature Trail.
Dune Life Nature Trail - White Sands National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)
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New Mexico Museum of Space History » Alamogordo, New Mexico » Celebrating the significant role the state of New Mexico has played in the development of the U.S. Space Program
And if your are into this sort of thing, we spent 1/2 day here a couple of summers ago while spending a couple of nights in Oliver Lee SP
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:39 PM   #16
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Carlsbad to Las Cruces

Once you hit Cloudcroft you have approximately a 16 mile down hill, steep grade. There are actually 2 runaway truck ramps on 82. It is doable but nerve racking.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:52 PM   #17
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Been thru Cloudcroft many times , with and without the trailer , Great road , good scenery .
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:41 PM   #18
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I used to go north to Artesia and then west through Alamogordo or even further north to Roswell and then back down through Ruidoso to Alamogordo to Las Cruces.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:11 PM   #19
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As luck would have it, I'm making my 'things to do' list. These all sound like great stops we are staying at least three days between the two sites, so its nice to get the local perspective.

I will be sure to post as we travel.

SilverPalace - just got new brakes and tires this year, so won't be too bad.

We drove the w.va turnpike many times as a kid before they finished I-77 . Dad drove, but we ALL had white knuckles!
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Old 03-07-2015, 12:11 PM   #20
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I haven't been down that way in years, but somewhere on I-25, perhaps near White Sands, we came to a Border Patrol station where we had to stop. This was before 9/11 and the guy asked us where we were born and that was about it. Since 9/11, our experience at the Canadian border has been the US border guards get nastier and nastier. There are a lot of recent hires who have been taught to be rude and that everyone is a potential criminal. One time they wanted to see if we had anybody hiding the trailer, though usually they are looking for fruit. Fruit is not a problem within the country though. I have read of small towns near the border surrounded with Border Patrol stations where the guards hassle the locals time after time even after they recognize them. Sounds like a police state there.

Since then, we have stayed 100 or more miles north of the Mexican border to keep away from hassles and delays. What have others experienced in that 100 mile band north of the border?

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Old 03-07-2015, 01:46 PM   #21
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CARLSBAD NM to Las Cruces AVOIDING EL PASO

I had lived south of the check points all my life, imo they are gastapoesque...

There is one just south of Alamogordo, but no stop going south.

There is another just north of Las Cruces on I-25, another just west of Las Cruces on I-10, and another just west of Van Horn, Texas on I-10.

I have been through these places literally hundreds of times. I have never really been hassled going through except one time when a guy with no personality at all insisted on looking in my trailer.

Still, I object to these check points because this is America, not 1960s East Germany.




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Old 03-07-2015, 11:36 PM   #22
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Gene is right they have check points for boarder patrol and sometimes if they are launching missiles they close I-25. (well you have your airstream stop and have lunch if you get caught in this =). The Boarder Patrol is very abrupt occasionally but most of them are polite if you are polite. Dont let it worry you. Heck I used to get stopped out in the back of beyond when I was appraising large ranches. Most of them are just hard working guys that work in the heat in a dangerous situation with grumpy people. I figure its kinda hard to be cheerful all the time.
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I support most all Border Patrol officers, (most are regular folks) and their mission in general, but the check points suck.


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Old 03-09-2015, 10:30 AM   #25
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I suppose there are roads around them, but there are permanent ones and mobile ones. The internet has some websites about this: http://www.google.com/url?q=https://...HRopt6Lwlfytxw

The Border Patrol has nearly absolute power to take your stuff, especially at a border crossing, and detain you while they assess your "suspicious" behavior. Their official website is kind of over the top including statements that undocumented aliens do not care about this country (why would they stay here then?) and showing that they have all the power and you don't: US Border Patrol Being Detained Note that the sense of that is that if you flee, they will shoot you, so the penalty for attempting to flee is death without any court acting.

Some people refuse to ask the inevitable first question—"Are you an American citizen". Some make videos of the encounter. What Happens If You Don't Cooperate At Inland Check Points? | Fronteras Desk

But the court cases that I recall from law school said they can stop you 200 miles from the border, though some stuff I've seen says it is 100 miles. The permanent checkpoints are less than 100 miles from the border. They have also stopped buses near Rochester, NY, looking for Mexicans. There seems to be no limit on what they can do including tearing your car and RV apart looking for contraband. When they go into your RV, you are kept away from it, so they may be going through your clothing, personal papers, computer, camera memory, money you have there, your prescriptions, etc. No warrant is required. There are claims that at DUI checkpoints, you don't have to open the window or talk to the cop, or you can have some written statement of your rights and hand it to them through a crack in the window. I don't think that works all the time, maybe none of the time. If the officer has "reasonable suspicion" you are in trouble. To people trained to be suspicious, what is reasonable is almost always decided in their favor.

This may be the town where people can't go anywhere without having to stop at a chexkpoint. The Border Patrol is being sued for haraasment: Border Patrol sued for harassing at Arivaca checkpoint

I just stay away from the southern border. I'm kind of curious about what Tombstone looks looks like, though I suspect it is a tourist trap, but there's a checkpoint just north of there. The only time we've been stopped at any kind of checkpoint was in Santa Fe when we were trying to get to a movie in time. The cop asked if I'd been drinking—I guess everyone gets that question. If you had a half a beer and say "no", you can be charged with obstructing justice even if you are not impaired. Those are leading questions.

You can tell a cop he or she is wrong, is doing something stupid or represents evil. The 1st Amendment protects our right to tell off the authorities. I have told border cops when we've come from Canada that they should have better things to do besides looking for fruit, but if they are having a bad day, are oversensitive, are trying to prove something to the boss, or whatever, I could have been detained for hours and our vehicles ripped apart. They may be able to seize your vehicle for minor things, maybe even fruit. They can keep all your computers to look for bad things and you may never get them back as they get lost in bureaucracy. I think you have to put your vehicles back together yourself. The border patrol checkpoints do not have quite the power of stations on the border, but they have more power than all the local and state police and even the FBI.

Different people have different ideas about "freedom" and some will sacrifice freedom to feel safe. Some never feel safe. I don't care for the presumption I have done something wrong and can be detained and/or searched without any court process. This wasn't what this thread was about in a narrow sense, but I thought the OP might want to know about checkpoints.

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A year ago we drove from Austin, through Junction, Texas to Las Cruses, New Mexico, and back on I-10. We went through a checkpoint near the Texas, New Mexico border where they were weighing the big trucks, but let us go through the passenger car checkpoint and didn't even slow us down. Driving through El Paso in late morning was no problem. I would be much more hesitant about driving I-35 through Austin and on up towards Dallas. Just sayin...experiences vary.


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Yeah, I35. is tons of fun - luckily i am south of Austin.

As far as border crossing - get signed up for a 'trusted traveler` program. Got a nexus card for entering/ exit US from CANADA and Mexico. Best 50 bucks i ever spent.
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Old 03-09-2015, 01:31 PM   #28
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I am generally very conservative and agree that safety at the expense of liberty is often a poor tradeoff, however please consider a couple of points. This is New Mexico - drunk driving capitol of the USA. A week doesn't go by we do not hear of an innocent person - or entire family getting wiped out by some drunk (and as a cruel irony, he usually survives). That cop at the check point has likely been on-scene for one of these bloody events.
Second, I'm willing to put up with a checkpoint that may help to stop the tens of thousands of illegal - er, I mean undocumented immigrants pouring across our southern border. And one of these days they will stop a group carrying something much more dangerous than fruit (perhaps in an Airstream?).
Yah - he's trained to be suspicious because there's a lot of bad people out there. The vast majority of these guys (and gals) are trying to protect you from them, not rummage through your trailer and steal your stuff.
Tip - Adjust your attitude. Smile. Ask him how's it going. Make sure he can see your hands. If it's dark, turn on your dome light. Thank him for his service.
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