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Old 09-12-2004, 11:23 AM   #1
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Electrically Charged Trailer - Help!

All - Just got back off of a two week trip from Austin, TX. to the Airstream Factory and had a problem on the way back. A circuit breaker has tripped on my electrical box and continues to trip every time I reset it. On top of that if the ground is a little wet and I don't have any shoes on I get a heck of a shock when I touch the trailer's exterior walls or door. I'm going to explain the occurence of events in hope of someone offering up a quick fix!

1. (Don't think this relates to my problem but I'll mention it just in case). Got some work done on my trailer at the factory ('87 Sovereign). The only thing that was done that may have touched the electrical in any way was the addition of a batwing antennae with an amplifier. But the amplifier works fine even when this particular breaker is tripped so I doubt this has anything to do with it. When I brought my trailer back to the A/S terra port the above mentioned breaker did trip but I was able to reset it and all was fine.

2. Traveld to a friend's house in Indiana the next day. When I attempted to plug into his standard house outlet with an adaptor I got a big spark at the outlet and his house breaker tripped. Tried plugging it in again after resetting. Same problem. The spark was occuring right at the bottom prong of a three prong adaptor, the ground? Any way it was enough of a shock to burn that particular prong on the adapter.

3. Attempted to plug into another outlet at his house to see if his outlet was the problem. Got a spark again but this time the outlet didn't trip and I was able to run the trailer.

4. Later that night it rained and that is when I noticed this particular outlet had tripped again and could not be reset. A little while after this is when I noticed my trailer was giving off one hell of shock if I touched it. Made it very difficult to enter!

The above mentioned breaker that has tripped runs the following: rear and bathroom electrical outlets, converter/twelve volt system.

ANY help is appreciated.

Thanks, Joe
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:11 PM   #2
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Stop and unplug immediately!
It appears by your post that you are not very comfortable working with electricity. If your knowledge level and comfort level have been exceeded seek professional help. The life you save could be your own. Your post indicates that your last installation appears to have caused a short to the trailer frame. Get an experienced electrician to fix it before you plug shore power back in to the trailer.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:00 PM   #3
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gary is correct, UNPLUG IT!!!

get a person who is qualified to troubleshoot it and repair it properly.

we can talk you through it here. but, you will need a volt ohm meter and basic electrical skills.

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Old 09-12-2004, 01:48 PM   #4
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.......The only thing that was done that may have touched the electrical in any way was the addition of a batwing antennae with an amplifier......
Joe:

Don't know if this helps or not, but on the '87 MoHo the 120 electrical bundle runs fore and aft about two inches to the curb side of the vent/AC cutout.....would it be possible that in mounting the batwing a screw/rivet could have been put in close proximity to the cable?

If the circuit that is giving you trouble runs past the batwing mounting point, you might start your search for the problem around the new mounting.
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Old 09-12-2004, 02:22 PM   #5
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Joe:

Don't know if this helps or not, but on the '87 MoHo the 120 electrical bundle runs fore and aft about two inches to the curb side of the vent/AC cutout.....would it be possible that in mounting the batwing a screw/rivet could have been put in close proximity to the cable?

If the circuit that is giving you trouble runs past the batwing mounting point, you might start your search for the problem around the new mounting.
Dennis - I had an epiphany right along this line right after I posted this thread. Airstream added a bracket on the roof to hold the head of the batwing antennea a few inches off center to the curb side of the trailer. When installing it they simply drilled threw the skin and screwed it in. I was a little shocked that they didn't even seal under the bracket. They simply plopped a dollop of vulkem on top of the screw heads after it was mounted. When I asked why they didn't also seal underneath the bracket they said "well I've never had one leak yet when I use screws". I had planned to remove this bracket and reinstall it proplerly once I got home. So my plan would be to unscrew this bracket assembly and then see if my breaker still trips.

Additionally the same night that I noticed the breaker had a problem and my trailer had become a rolling electric fence my water heater over pressurized and the release valve popped. Since then then the water heater will not shut off once it's lit even if I flip the shut off switch. The only way I was able to turn it off was to turn the gas off at the source. Could this be related? If not I'll start a seperate thread for the water heater. Joe
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Old 09-12-2004, 02:31 PM   #6
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Joe,
IMHO - If this even could have been caused by Airstream's installation of the batwing then I would not touch anything at all, especially if other systems are starting show unusual behaivior. Keep the trailer unplugged, disconnect the batteries, call Airstream and explain the situation.

Ask them to authorize your favorite local AS dealership to inspect the antennea installation. If an Airstream tech put a screw into a hot lead on your 110 system you now have a hot ground....very dangerous and could certainly fail other systems quickly.

I you remove it yourself and other systems have been "fried" then you would have a hard time getting Airstream to pay for what might have been a mistake on their part.
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Old 09-12-2004, 02:47 PM   #7
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Arghhhhh - Ok I'm gonna rant a little bit. I am so sick of Airstream and their "Authorized Service Centers". I have had one probelm after another everytime I've gone to them or their dealers. I'm sure there are some good ones out there but I haven't found one yet. You know I drove about 2500 miles round trip to get this antennae and a new screen door installed and take the tour, even verified with them that they had the antennae and new screen door to install on my trailer before I got up there and you know what? no screen door when I got there. I was told they don't even make or stock the new screen doors for my trailer any more and my service coordinator made a mistake and should have actually checked to see if they had it in stock instead of just telling me yes because he "thought" they had it. And then they made me pay for them to try and "rehab" my old screen door.

I'll call them on Monday and see what they say but all I see in my future right now is a hole lot of wasted time related to people that simply don't know or care about what they're doing. Let's hope Airstream proves me wrong on this one. Joe
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Barkingspider, sounds like THEY (service) put a screw thu a hot wire. BTW, why were they using screws? Seems to me rivets were in order!. 4 years ago, we took our Cutter diesel motorhome back to the factory, and WE had to show them how and what WE wanted fixed. (under warranty) How's the service center look after the fire?
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:34 PM   #9
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You guys are really scaring me! I have an appt on Tuesday in Jackson Center to have me entry door window replaced. This was scheduled after two local dealers told me they didn't have the riveting tools or a rivet shaver to do the job correctly. I appreciated their candor but did wonder how they sell and service Airstreams w/o these tools. I ultimately ended up scheduling the work with AS.

I think I'll call tomorrow and make sure the window is in stock. Don't want to burn $100 in fuel to find out it's not there.
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How's the service center look after the fire?
Only one building with about five bays was open. The other building was still being repaired. Out back there were parts everywhere.
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Jackson Center service

A friend, RivetED, just got back from Jackson Center to have some work done. They actually caused more damage than the original problem, were unprofessional when shown the damage, & had to be pushed to fix things correctly. When many think of Jackson Center as the Mecca of proper repairs, it's not. According to RivetED, it seems to depend on who you get to do your work. He's got names of the good and not so good.
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I haven't bucked a rivet in more than a decade so I was going up there to have it "professionally" repaired. So maybe I should just pick up the window and some rivets and head back home stopping at harbor frieght on the way?

This is depressing.
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Re:Service Centers

I've heard lots of good things about North Dallas RV. I called them and they were not to eager to help but I seem to have been the minority. Many people really like them and I would sure try them befor I go all the was to Jackson Center.

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Exclamation Bad 'Karma' from Jackson Ctr.

At Jackson Center after 1 week of work on our trailer, it took 5+ hrs of trouble-shooting, including the removal of all the exterior lights that were worked on, before they found the burned wires (improperly installed by them) that blew fuses in our trailer & in my TRUCK when I hooked up to leave. That was only the last thing that was not properly handled.

The 'open' issues are still not fully resolved & I am refraining from any further public/forum discussion for now. The JC service ctr. is aware of the situation and wants us to return, a 2400mi. round-trip. I (& Debbie who is very easy going) haven't cooled off enough yet to make a business or 'emotionless' decision. We need to get things right but we're not sure what course to take just now.

Please, it is our wish at this time to not openly vent. (PM me if you wish to compare notes.) I will give Airstream one more chance to properly fix our trailer. For the most part, the folks at J.C. were wonderful, but it doesn't take many to really mess things up! I believe we had a 'bad apple' assigned to our unit. This will take some time to resolve, but I will post our results in a new thread.
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