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12-14-2013, 04:51 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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Ceiling / Headliner Delamination
I notice that, in a small area over the sink in my MH, the glue has failed on the headliner and it is sagging a fraction of an inch. From my experience with Airstream trailers, I know that this can progress to where whole sections of the headliner will come loose and droop or sag.
What have you used for a "fix"? I noticed, by doing a search on the list, that one person used white thumb tacks and another used wood strips and plastic caped screws. Over time, what has worked the best? I assume all the ceiling surface under the vinyl/foam headliner is thin plywood. Is this correct? What is a good source of the plastic capped screws?
Any additional comments appreciated.
Thanks!
Sam
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12-14-2013, 11:55 AM
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65th Anniversary CLIPPER
1996 36' Clipper Bus
Tub City
, British Columbia
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,309
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The first thing you should do Sam is inspect the roof for leakage in that specific area, and all other areas. Skylights, vents, any other items that have penetrated the original roof, and the roof to wall seams.
Once water touches that LAUN ply, that is used throughout the f/g models, it will continue to wick (in all directions) until the water supply is diminished.
Early detection and repair is needed, but constant maintenance of the roof area will prevent most problems.
If you have one small area, installation of a smoke detector, or other addon device, will accomplish the task.
Dave
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12-15-2013, 07:26 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1994 35' Land Yacht Diesel
Franklin NC
, North Carolina
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 353
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Thumb tacks
Sam,
I'm to poster of the thumb tack solution. I failed to mention that you should buy the longer white thumb tacks, the 1/4" cheap ones don't go through the ceiling boards far enough.
My longer ones have lasted for years and look like a custom ceiling. On a previous coach I took down all the panesl, scrapped all the delaminated foam off and clued new vinyl headliner material to them. Worked good but tookall my spare time for months. The Tacks are quick & easy and if more drooping occurs, you just add tacks in the new droop area.
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"The Roadhouse" our Land Yachts name
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12-16-2013, 04:05 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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Dave and Paul; thanks for the replies!
I don't feel that the root cause of the delamination is water intrusion. I keep an eye on all roof penetrations and add/replace caulk as needed. But water has a way of finding the smallest point of entry.
I think our delamination is caused by adhesive failure between the vinyl/foam headliner and the wood ceiling. This seems to be common in Airstream travel trailers.
Paul, what do you think was the cause of your delamination? And thanks for the additional information on your "fix".
Sam
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12-16-2013, 04:07 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1994 35' Land Yacht Diesel
Franklin NC
, North Carolina
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 353
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Headliner delamination
Simple: The foam backing on the headliner got old and dry and sort of came apart and let go of the glue that held it to the ceiling board. The glue sticks to the board and the weight of the headliner separates the foam. Same reason they fall down in cars.
Take it apart and you'll see that.
Since I've done it the hard way and with tacks, I'll do the tacks again when needed. (Actually it looks better than the original flat panels.)
Paul
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"The Roadhouse" our Land Yachts name
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12-17-2013, 03:37 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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Thanks, Paul. Mine seems to have separated at the glue joint, since I can feel som tackiness when I push up on the small area that has came loose.
Sam
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12-24-2013, 03:48 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1994 35' Land Yacht Diesel
Franklin NC
, North Carolina
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 353
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Headliner
Glue joint or foam delamination, your headliner droops. The long tacks are the treatment no matter the cause. (Even if your separated foam has static cling)
Happy Holidays, I hope you get tacks in your stocking.
Paul
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"The Roadhouse" our Land Yachts name
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12-24-2013, 04:09 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 31' Sovereign
Palomar Mountain
, California
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 355
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We used to use contact cement in a syringe - squirt some under and squish it around, let it dry and than push it down. Only leaves a small needle hole you can't see unless you look for it. Get syringe at pet store.
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12-25-2013, 04:25 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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Thanks, Silver Hawk!
Sam
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01-02-2014, 03:58 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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Good thread. I had done a search earlier, but missed this one.
Thanks, Sam
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01-24-2014, 12:22 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1994 31' Legacy 30
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstream12557
I notice that, in a small area over the sink in my MH, the glue has failed on the headliner and it is sagging a fraction of an inch. From my experience with Airstream trailers, I know that this can progress to where whole sections of the headliner will come loose and droop or sag.
What have you used for a "fix"? I noticed, by doing a search on the list, that one person used white thumb tacks and another used wood strips and plastic caped screws. Over time, what has worked the best? I assume all the ceiling surface under the vinyl/foam headliner is thin plywood. Is this correct? What is a good source of the plastic capped screws?
Any additional comments appreciated.
Thanks!
Sam
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I had this problem in a few places on my 1994 30'. I found that a quick & simple fix can de done with a 3.5 " wide plastic slat from a vertical blind slipped into the "H" channel, concave side up against the ceiling, with no adhesives or fasteners. The slats are available from any custom blind supplier and can be had in a color to match the ceiling vinyl in any length you need. The slats are easily cut with scissors.
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01-25-2014, 04:11 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Evansville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 280
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CTATODAY, that is a unique solution. I like it!!
Thanks
Sam
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01-26-2014, 12:17 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1994 31' Legacy 30
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 15
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I got my slats from the trash bin, they were from a patio door blind and are long enough to go across the width of the coach. In one location I cut the slat to go from the rear AC to the side wall. I also used some short pieces inside the overhead bins.
Regards,
Cicero
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01-26-2014, 07:02 AM
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Rivet Master
1992 36' Land Yacht
Grayson
, Georgia
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,724
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How about some pics?
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01-29-2014, 07:30 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1994 31' Legacy 30
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 15
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Headliner Repair Pictures
Here are some pictures and a sketch. Inside the cabinet the slats were cut in half to 1.75 wide.
Cicero
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01-29-2014, 10:31 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,378
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ctatoday
I got my slats from the trash bin, they were from a patio door blind and are long enough to go across the width of the coach. In one location I cut the slat to go from the rear AC to the side wall. I also used some short pieces inside the overhead bins.
Regards,
Cicero
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Hi, that's a good idea for fixing the headliner; Hope I never have to do it though.
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