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Old 01-29-2007, 11:21 AM   #71
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And I just noticed that I now have three rivets!

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Old 01-29-2007, 11:27 AM   #72
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Lucius the fairgrounds probably could not give you an exact number of hook-ups because they will be expanding a central hook-up to multiples. Bring LOTS of sewer hose AND duct tape. I did not connect with my single hose, about 4 or more may have gotten back and around to the other side on my unit. It will probably depend on the volunteers how many hook-ups they create.

Minnie's Mate, look me up if you visit. Should not be a problem at all.
Now I have seen a lot of scary things in my life but this takes the cake!
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Old 01-29-2007, 02:29 PM   #73
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You aint kidding. LOL I was going to post this picture on the view outside my door. Sometimes a front door can be very preferential to the rear door model. I hooked up to water and electric and that's it. I could have pulled over to another sewer connection and used it as a sanitation station but my tanks were fine except for the grey water which they said was legal in Perry to let run off (?) If anyone were to ask my opinion I would say keep the extension pvc pipe off and let people connect alternately as it becomes necessary to drain. It already is my least favorite job and taping it and running multiple hoses together held absolutely zero appeal for me. I have (2) 25' gray water hoses that I would have used into a regular receptacle but I was not a gonna touch that and risk a Robin Williams incident and wait for all the other taping jobs to let loose with my movement--hey I made a pun.
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Old 01-30-2007, 06:04 PM   #74
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... and wait for all the other taping jobs to let loose with my movement--hey I made a pun.
LOL! I got it but I was BM (being mute) about it! I made a sort of pun too! OK...I'll stop now before this thread goes into the proverbial "black tank".
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:48 AM   #75
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in the 1970's-1980's....3000 to 4000

in the early 1990's.......2000 to 2500

in the late 1990's..........1500 to 2000

recently...................800 to 1500
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:57 AM   #76
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We just downsized from a motorhome to a AS and so are trying to understand the group. We are going to Perry, it will be the beginning of our summer get away from hurricanes in Florida.
I saw this data and also have heard the numbers of AS's are down. Does anyone have a clue as to why. We did a lot of researach before we settled on AS and without question it seemed the best built at the lightest weight for towing. also they look great and have nostalgia.

in the 1970's-1980's....3000 to 4000
in the early 1990's.......2000 to 2500
in the late 1990's..........1500 to 2000
recently...................800 to 1500


I saw this and wondered WHY?
I know the mothorhome groups are growing, We felt they were expensive and a lot of work to keep working. something always broke. We are hoping once we have our new/99 AS fixed - it will not be a constant chore to work on.
Any ideas as to why the group is going down??

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Old 02-23-2007, 11:28 AM   #77
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The club is over 50 years old. One of the last two charter members passed away very recently. It's an old club with many older members. Many have passed and many are quite up there in age. You have only to see the lists of deceased members in the publications and the age of many of the members to realize that the numbers of that generation are dwindling.

The club is set up and operates suprisingly much as it did 50 years ago. Really. It's a bit of a culture shock to new members. You might liken the ceremonies to those you may have seen for Memorial Day rooted in patriotism and rigors of the old order and uniforms and flags. Activities and function continue with CBs as foremost communication and operations, channels of command in organization, beauty pageants, flag ceremonies, ice cream socials, big band music, awards, ribbons, pins, and many assigned ranks and that of a bygone era.

Clubs in general today are not as popular as they once were. People are busier, people don't take as much time to connect are less likely to commit their time and energy cherishing and budgeting their precious leisure time.

I don't think seeing smaller numbers in membership in itself is a cause for concern. There are many various factors involved. What I do think is a cause for concern is seeing new members drop out because they are disenchanted, ignored, or worse and do not feel they can effect any change or that they do not fit. It is also a cause for concern that prospective members are not attracted to the club.

Personally I think the last two issues are the important concerns because these are the ones that we can change. These also are the issues that have fallen by the wayside while the club's govenment has spent its time and energy on changing the identity of the club by proposing a name change or to open membership up to other brands of recreactional vehicles to grow the numbers. What I think they fail to realize is that it is the way the club is run that secures a dwindling future and changing the name and grabbing new members is not going to attract masses or stop the migration away if they don't get going and make some real changes to update for newer generations.

The vintage Airstream Club is a thriving intraclub that could easily stand independantly of the WBCCI and basically does. It has a completely different approach and personality within its parent club. To be a fullfledged voting member you must have an Airstream 25 years old or more.

What of the future? Look to start up units like Heart of Texas and 4CU, the internet based WDCU. These units have little formality and collect only a token exchange of dues. Their hands aren't tied and they are organizing, getting together and having fun.

Yes Virgina, there is a WBCCI.
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:20 PM   #78
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Thanks Carol, that is a pretty full answer.
I am surprised that leadership has not been looking at membership for quite awhile now (many years ) and getting worried.
I would not think adding other brands would be the answer. An airstream is unique. You would not see Foretravel or Beaver adding other brands to their rallies or group. That just does not make any sense.
Reaching out to current members and doing polls for what they want is what a leader does, well a good leader.
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:28 PM   #79
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Carol;

That was an excellent post. WBCCI is stuck with camping in fields and daisy chaning water hook ups. Wally Byam did this routine because he had to. RV Parks as we know them today didn't exist in the 50/s. KOA one of the first RV Parks to came on the scene and that was in the 60's.

Today, with the down size of WBCCI many of the large rallies could be held at a convention center w/o parking on site. Those attending could park at a RV Park of their choice and purchase an "Event Pass" to the rally. There would be a reduction on the numbers of volunteers needed which would reduce costs and that should be passed on to those attending. In addition the rally could be shortened to five days. I wonder if any of this will ever happen.

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The vintage Airstream Club is a thriving intraclub
I recently became aware of the Classic Airstream Club within WBCCI. Not necessarily vintage - just the classic shape/style. The CAC web site is rudimentary but I get the impression this intraclub is specifically for those who like the classic aluminum trailers and motohomes.

CAC sent me an application for membership via snail mail so once again the internet access is limited. Membership to CAC is apparently only open to existing WBCCI members but I am excited to know that somebody out there is supportive of the classic shape/style/design. I'm looking forward to meeting with CAC members at the international.

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Old 02-23-2007, 12:44 PM   #81
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Carol;

That was an excellent post. WBCCI is stuck with camping in fields and daisy chaning water hook ups. Wally Byam did this routine because he had to. RV Parks as we know them today didn't exist in the 50/s. KOA one of the first RV Parks to came on the scene and that was in the 60's.

Today, with the down size of WBCCI many of the large rallies could be held at a convention center w/o parking on site. Those attending could park at a RV Park of their choice and purchase an "Event Pass" to the rally. There would be a reduction on the numbers of volunteers needed which would reduce costs and that should be passed on to those attending. In addition the rally could be shortened to five days. I wonder if any of this will ever happen.

Charlie,

Region 12 is holding its rally in Las Vegas this October. Why don't you drop by and see first hand what it is like, if you don't have the time to attend. We would drop by, but our son is getting married that weekend.

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Old 02-23-2007, 12:53 PM   #82
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I understand the difference between having a AS at a campground versus in the field. However you would lose the 'group' feeling that you have when all AS's are together. You can wander around and meet new people off hours, see interesting set ups, etc.
Also I like being able to 'many times' a day go back to MY OWN SPACE. At an arena you would have to get in the car and drive x number of miles.
I would want the together place.
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Carol ~ Great post and thanks for the 4CU plug. If the 4CU had not come along, I would not be a member of the WBCCI. If people want the club to evolve it will take new members to make that happen. With units like the NEU, WDCU, HOTCU and the 4CU I believe we have an oppertunity to bring in new members and to make a difference. Change has to start at the unit level. From these units you will see change move to the region and international level in time. What is important is to not tear down what the club has done for the past 50+ years. The idea of 1000+ Airstreams parked in a field together is some thing that I want to be a part of. This past weekend we had 2 dozen Airstreams parked together for the first 4CU rally and it was a sight to see. People making new friends and seeing some old ones as well. It's all about camping together!
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Old 02-23-2007, 01:26 PM   #84
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This is kind of off-topic on this thread, but we just joined WBCCI; our numbers were just assigned a week ago. We're in Region 3, Florida Unit. If work hadn't got in the way, we'd be at the FL Rally going on now.

Everytime I join a club, I get involved (Pat hates that), but my motivation is to learn and work for improvements. I've been reading some of the threads and posts on problems and issues with the WBCCI. I'm mostly infavor of what everyone says here on the forums. When I can jump into this thing, I'll try to represent those thoughts and opinions to the WBCCI.

I was really upset to read this yesterday on the FL Rally Thread:
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Well we posted a sign-up sheet Tuesday for the Forums Happy Hour as requested and had 5 units sign that they would attend. Knowing that there were several things of deep concern that had been talked about here on the Forums I asked the International President if he could take the time to attend the happy hour and talk with the forum members. Don took time away from another comittment to visit with the Forum Members as did the Region 3 president, Region 3 1st vp and Region 3 2nd vp and their spouses. They were the only ones at the happy hour.
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