2010 WBCCI Membership Directory Totals

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by Forrest

The question that comes to my mind is, at the current rate of decline, how much longer will the WBCCI continue? At some point, there will not be enough members to support the HQ building & staff costs.

I'm sure that it would be a question in many people's minds and one that seems of utmost importance to a lot of the general membership.
When I started tracking the membership numbers in 1996 there were 10300 members compared to the current total of 5947.

[Don McKelvay]

Hi Mike,

Thank you for all your work over the years which is a lot of number crunching - we know you love doing that, but know we all really appreciate it.

Would you please post the numbers for Region 2.

[wheel interested]

Originally Posted by Forrest

The question that comes to my mind is, at the current rate of decline, how much longer will the WBCCI continue? At some point, there will not be enough members to support the HQ building & staff costs.

I don't want to add a lot of commentary to Mike's great factual thread of membership statistics but I did want to comment to Forrest's post.

I said as much at WBCCI forum and was told that was not factual that membership would not be able to support leadership at the current rate and got reprimanded for inappropriate comments and an admonition to change my post. But I do believe there will be a point in time when as we lose more and more members and leadership must increase dues accordingly per member which will lose more members in a fast downward spiral, that it will not only be hardly feasible but actually become impossible to support leadership's spending at the current rate.

The WBCCI will continue after there is no headquarters or reimbursed leadership or expensive rallies. The units, the Airstream families of friends, will survive and perhaps the club will actually grow when the International level is strictly volunteerism and without cost to the individual member. The internet can make that possible. Rather than the money running out, I wonder which comes first, the members' exodus or the leaders'. I heard on the simulcast that many of the leaders were prepared to walk away from the club that very day, if their reimbursements were cut severely. If that is so, that measure alone would cure just that much more of the problem of too many leaders spending too much money.

Again I apologize for placing the comment here in this thread but I really wanted to comment after reading Forrest's post and agreeing so much with his statement and perhaps adding to that direction of thought.

[ticki2]

Great job again Mike . I was wondering what the corrulation between membership and participation at the international rally looked like.

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by Don McKelvay

Hi Mike,

Thank you for all your work over the years which is a lot of number crunching - we know you love doing that, but know we all really appreciate it.

Would you please post the numbers for Region 2.

Hi Don,

Here are Region 2's numbers.Keep in mind that there was a late submission of quite a few members from the Washington DC Unit which did not get printed in the 2009 Directory.

Unit #002-New York Finger Lakes
2009-41 members 2010-43 members

Unit #026-Delmarva
2009-41 members 2010-42 members

Unit #036-Delaware Valley New Jersey
2009-38 members 2010-39 members

Unit #053-Mid Atlantic
2009-33 members 2010-34 members

Unit #066-New Jersey
2009-63 members 2010-67 members

Unit #068-Watchung NJ
2009-52 members 2010-51 members

Unit #070-Berkshire New York
2009-11 members 2010-10 members

Unit #071-Hudson Mohawk New York
2009-25 members 2010-22 members

Unit #072-Metropolitan New York
2009-25 members 2010-32 members

Unit #073-Niagara Genesee New York
2009-14 members 2010-17 members

Unit #091-Pennsylvania
2009-46 members 2010-46 members

Unit #092-Keystone Pennsylvania
2009-29 members 2010-28 members

Unit #093-Penn-Lehigh
2009-27 members 2010-26 members

Unit #124-Ontario
2009-179 members 2010-160 members

Unit #131-Al-Mon-O Pennsylvania
2009-20 members 2010-27 members

Unit #164-Central Pennsylvania
2009-28 members 2010-27 members

Unit #166-Central Maryland
2009-24 members 2010-22 members

Unit #170-Washington DC
2009-83 members* 2010-116 members

[dwightdi]

From what I have calculated, as an average, we get about 15% of the members who come to the International. When we schedule it in The southern states where it is hot at the beginning of July, we have a lower turnout.

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by ticki2

Great job again Mike . I was wondering what the corrulation between membership and participation at the international rally looked like.

I took 4 random years as a sample and rounded off to the nearest percentage.

1996-10300 members
1996 Int'l Rally Att. 2150 21%

2000-8750 members
2000 Int'l Rally Att. 1310 15%

2005-7504 members
2005 Int'l Rally Att. 1154 15%

2009-6092 members
2009 Int'l Rally Att 903 15%

Looks like a pretty constant number and based on the membership number could be used to predict what the expected attendance should be for upcoming Int'ls.This may be done already.Of course a lot of other factors will also have an effect on that projection ie cost,location etc

[WineStream]

Being the number crunching guy I am, I am pleased to see such analysis being done by someone. Unfortunately there's more interest from those of us that are "just curious" and like to see numbers analyzed than there is from the people actually running the club.

May I ask, Mike, do you have one big Excel sheet with everyone's names, unit, region, etc. on it and then every year you go page by page, line by line, and cross-check everything for changes? If so, I'm envious of your time and perseverance. If not, then patent your process and then tell me what it is!

-Jason

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by atobols

Being the number crunching guy I am, I am pleased to see such analysis being done by someone. Unfortunately there's more interest from those of us that are "just curious" and like to see numbers analyzed than there is from the people actually running the club.

May I ask, Mike, do you have one big Excel sheet with everyone's names, unit, region, etc. on it and then every year you go page by page, line by line, and cross-check everything for changes? If so, I'm envious of your time and perseverance. If not, then patent your process and then tell me what it is!

-Jason

Hi Jason,

No Excel sheet for me although it would probably save me time.It's all done by hand.I compare the previous years directory to the new one and go through the listings one at a time listing the unit for each membership number.After all are tallied I go through the numerical listing in the back of the directory and subtract double listings (there are quite a few).
An example would be if there is a Bob Smith and a Mary Jones listed together for one membership number paying through Unit #1.It would appear twice in the directory,once under Smith and once under Jones.Since it is under one membership number I would have to subtract one listing from Unit #1.
This is part of what I do each year the directory is issued.

[SteSpot]

I have an interest in Region 12 numbers if you have time. Thank you very much, paula

[Aage]

Originally Posted by streamer23

After all are tallied I go through the numerical listing in the back of the directory and subtract double listings (there are quite a few).
An example would be if there is a Bob Smith and a Mary Jones listed together for one membership number paying through Unit #1.It would appear twice in the directory,once under Smith and once under Jones.Since it is under one membership number I would have to subtract one listing from Unit #1.

So, even if there are two members (Bob and Mary), you count them as one?

Hmmm...

I suppose it's how you define a member. To me, it's how many people there are, while to you, it's revenue.

I suppose either way is valid...

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by Aage

So, even if there are two members (Bob and Mary), you count them as one?

Hmmm...

I suppose it's how you define a member. To me, it's how many people there are, while to you, it's revenue.

I suppose either way is valid...

I see your point but it has always been done that way by the club.If Bob Smith and Mary Jones were a married couple and had the same last name they would be counted as one membership unless they paid for an extra one.I think it is the best way.
Where do you draw the line if they have two kids.Even though they would be cosidered as four members they would be counted as one paid membership.
Regards

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by SteSpot

I have an interest in Region 12 numbers if you have time. Thank you very much, paula

Here are the Region 12 units

Unit #008-Golden West California
2009-29 members 2010-19 members

Unit #010-Long Beach California
2009-36 members 2010-32 members

Unit #011-Northern California
2009-76 members 2010-81 members

Unit #014-El Camino Real
2009-73 members 2010-66 members

Unit #015-San Diego California
2009-41 members 2010-41 members

Unit #016-San Fernando Valley
2009-18 members 2010-14 members

Unit #017-San Joaquin California
2009-15 members 2010-16 members

Unit #018-Santa Clara California
2009-33 members 2010-30 members

Unit #019-South Coast California
2009-24 members 2010-21 members

Unit #020-Central Coast California
2009-33 members 2010-30 members

Unit #063-Nevada Unit
2009-21 members 2010-22 members

Unit #127-Monterey Bay California
2009-29 members 2010-21 members

Unit #157-Sierra Nevada
2009-33 members 2010-35 members

[Frank's Trailer Works]

Originally Posted by streamer23

I took 4 random years as a sample and rounded off to the nearest percentage.

1996-10300 members
1996 Int'l Rally Att. 2150 21%

2000-8750 members
2000 Int'l Rally Att. 1310 15%

2005-7504 members
2005 Int'l Rally Att. 1154 15%

2009-6092 members
2009 Int'l Rally Att 903 15%

Looks like a pretty constant number and based on the membership number could be used to predict what the expected attendance should be for upcoming Int'ls.This may be done already.Of course a lot of other factors will also have an effect on that projection ie cost,location etc

I want to preface my statement by saying I am a rivet cruncher not a numbers cruncher, but I can usually follow along fairly well...
Using that trend to forecast future Internationals could be a vital tool for the guy who's job it is.
If the 2010 member number is 5947, and if 15% historically attend the International. Well, then wouldn't the expected attendance for Gillette be 892? is that correct? .15 x 5947 = 892.05
I have heard that they are expecting 1500 to attend this year. 1500*5947= 0.2522 x 100 = 25.22% Has there ever been an International with that high an attendance? I mean % of total members, not the total number that came. Last year they expected 1200 to attend and 903 came. 1200 members would have been 19% of the members attending. That is much closer a realistic number to attend and it was not met.

I find breaking it down this way fascinating. Thank you Mike for doing this analysis.

[66Overlander]

Originally Posted by 62overlander

Well, then wouldn't the expected attendance for Gillette be 892? is that correct? .15 x 5947 = 892.05
I have heard that they are expecting 1500 to attend this year. 1500*5947= 0.2522 x 100 = 25.22% Has there ever been an International with that high an attendance? I mean % of total members, not the total number that came. Last year they expected 1200 to attend and 903 came. 1200 members would have been 19% of the members attending. That is much closer a realistic number to attend and it was not met.

Frank, I think you are getting your years mixed up. Last year (2009) break even was 1200 and they "hoped for" figure was 1515. I have heard this years break even is about 800, less that the 892 that the trend projects. I have heard no mention that anyone in WBCCI expects 1500 to attend in Gillette this year.

[wkerfoot]

The budget for the Gillette Rally, which I have seen is based on 700 rigs.

Bill

[Frank's Trailer Works]

I hear a lot of misinformation... like the number 6600 as 2009s total members... Oh well, thanks for straightening me out, you paint a much rosier picture.

[66Overlander]

Originally Posted by 62overlander

I hear a lot of misinformation... like the number 6600 as 2009s total members... Oh well, thanks for straightening me out, you paint a much rosier picture.

It's interesting that you keep hearing numbers that I as a member do not hear. I wonder where they're coming from? The WBCCI membership totals are not a completely rosy picture, but as long as we're all honest and not knowingly spreading mis-information, all is fair game for discussion. Please understand that I am not accusing you of anything, but I am curious where this "information" is coming from.

And quite frankly, I am getting tired of the WBCCI bashing here on AirForums - it's getting old as it spreads to every thread that happens to mention the name WBCCI. It's got me again thinking about asking for a WBBB refund because I don't want to be around those that bash the club incessantly and that is what I am believing the WBBB will degrade into. I get that feeling from the continual bashing in this and other AirForums threads.

And to not degrade this thread away from it's original intent, if we want to continue the discussion WBCCI mis-information, lets move it to another thread. We owe Mike thanks for providing the factual information posted in this thread and should not take it off subject to discuss yet more hearsay. I hope you agree.

[RoadKingMoe]

Every year, we put the new directory in the truck and move the year-old one to the trailer. And every time I do that, I think of you, Mike, making the numbers meaningful for us. Thank you for this.

Every year, the new directory is smaller. It's obvious when they're side-by-side. It seems like every other year lately, the loss of members is roughly double that of the previous year. I expect the dues increase will ensure that's at least the case for 2011.

[streamer23]

Originally Posted by RoadKingMoe

Every year, we put the new directory in the truck and move the year-old one to the trailer. And every time I do that, I think of you, Mike, making the numbers meaningful for us. Thank you for this.

Every year, the new directory is smaller. It's obvious when they're side-by-side. It seems like every other year lately, the loss of members is roughly double that of the previous year. I expect the dues increase will ensure that's at least the case for 2011.

I appreciate your comments and the karma(thanks) Maurice and others.
Here is your units total

Unit #029
Pensacola Florida Unit
2009-75 members 2010-79 members