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05-12-2014, 03:29 PM
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ADS99
2007 19' Safari SE
Crestview
, Florida
Join Date: May 2014
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Will a V-6 tow a 19' Bambi?
Help! Advanced calculus has nothing on towing configurations. I am planning to buy a used 19’ Airstream Bambi and am considering a new Tacoma or Nissan Frontier for the tow vehicle. But when I do the calculations both vehicles fall slightly below a 20% safety margin. Is a V-6 just not enough? I will be in the mountains too.
As for Toyota vs. Nissan, the Frontier does get some very good towing reviews, and all the Toyotas here in SW Florida are loaded up with $3,000 worth of extras I have no interest in, like a $800 sound system, and useless dealer installed protective crap. Thanks for any input
Airstream
GVWR 4,500
Tongue Weight 480-510
Toyota Tacoma
PreRunner Access Cab 4x2
V-6 2WD
5-spd Automatic Transmission
GVWR 5,500
GCWR 11,100
Towing Maximum 6,500
Tongue load 650
Nissan Frontier
King Cab
V-6 2WD
5-spd Automatic Transmission
GVWR 5,185
GCWR 11,130
Towing Maximum 6,500
Tongue load 630
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05-12-2014, 03:44 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,319
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Either truck will tow the 19, but you may not be satisfied with it. As an example, I tow a 17' Casita (3500 lbs) sometimes with a Toyota FJ Cruiser V6, with the same engine as the Tacoma has, and it does it OK. However, I would not want to tow any larger trailer with the FJ.
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05-12-2014, 04:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
High River
, Alberta
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,193
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They may be a bit slow in the mountains, but either will get the job done nicely if your expectations are reasonable.
I would expect better performance from the Tacoma over the FJCruiser due to lower weight, smaller frontal area, and less drag with the 2wd drivetrain.
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05-12-2014, 05:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,319
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbertF
They may be a bit slow in the mountains, but either will get the job done nicely if your expectations are reasonable.
I would expect better performance from the Tacoma over the FJCruiser due to lower weight, smaller frontal area, and less drag with the 2wd drivetrain.
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My FJ is two wheel drive.
Per Toyota, the FJ weighs 4079, and an extended cab Tacoma weighs 4140lbs.
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05-12-2014, 05:32 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 19' Safari SE
Tucson
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,627
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We tow our 2006 19' Bambi Safari SE with a 2007 Tacoma Double-Cab Short Bed with a tow package (recommended), and we are completely happy with its performance ... we are all over the mountains of AZ, NM, SoCA, SoUT and SoCO with no issues. We feel it's a good match.
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05-12-2014, 06:10 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
High River
, Alberta
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,193
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I stand corrected!
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05-12-2014, 06:39 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
K.C.
, Missouri
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 585
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I pull with a Frontier. My camper is a 19' SOB which is taller and more boxy than a 19' A/S. I also pull a two horse trailer with this truck, which aerodynamically is similar to your A/S. The truck pulls these trailers well.
Avg mpg pulling the camper is 11.5 to 12, and pulling the horse trailer about 13 to 14.
However, one disclaimer here, my truck is the six speed manual transmission, so my results may not directly compare to the same truck with an automatic.
I have a friend who pulls the same camper I have with a new Frontier with automatic though, and she says it pulls it well. I've just not driven her truck myself though, so I can't personally say for sure how it would compare.
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05-12-2014, 07:31 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1963 28' Ambassador
Vintage Kin Owner
Northern VT
, Vermont
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 360
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Most modern V6s will pull reasonably well. The real issue is control. Vehicle weight, wheel base, track width, ctr of gravity are points to consider. Towing a trailer that pushes you around makes for a lousy vacation.
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05-12-2014, 07:34 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Oracle
, Arizona
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,174
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05-12-2014, 08:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 19' Bambi
mt. Prospect
, Illinois
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 829
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My 5 cyl Sprinter with only 154hp (but 243 ft/lb of torque) comfortably pulls my 19' Bambi. It is rated for 5000#. Trips out west and to AR resulted in downshifts on hills, but keeping up with traffic at 65 mph or so is no problem. You should be able to do the job with either of your choices, or even a properly prepared minivan.
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05-12-2014, 08:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,226
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A full size 1/2 ton truck with a V8 will tow it better, but a V6 truck is clearly the best match for towing the 4,500 gvwr Bambi. I agree with others who say that a V6 truck will tow it adequately and will be much preferred over a V8 1/2 ton truck when you are not towing the trailer.
Dan
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05-12-2014, 08:26 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2008 20' Safari SE
Bangor
, Maine
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 255
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I tow a 20 foot 2008 Safari SE with my 2005 Toyota 4Runner V6 SR5 4x4 with no problems. I suspect you will do fine with the taco.
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05-12-2014, 09:11 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 19' Bambi
Henderson
, Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 29
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I tow our 19' Bambi with a 2003 BMW X5. It is 3.0L (and AWD).
On paper it is near the limits of the BMW recommended tongue / tow weight but it pulls, stops and handles great.
Our dealer said after the hitch / brake set up test drive it was one best "seat-of-the-pants test drives he'd had".
The BMW easily pulls the 19' at speeds greater than 65 MPH, but since we had a blowout a few years ago I'm quite content to drive at 60 MPH now. Even when the tire let loose, it was quite controllable getting to the side of the interstate.
I manually shift the car using the "sport mode" on the transmission bc I didn't like the frequent downshifting. I don't know if that would be solved by more HP or just a problem with computers/transmissions seeking lower rpms.
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05-12-2014, 10:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 25' Tradewind
Metro Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,524
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If you really want to tow with a V-6, get a Ford Eco-Boost.
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05-12-2014, 11:00 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1964 28' Ambassador
henderson
, Nevada
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 43
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I tow my 29 foot 1964 ambassador with my 2006 V6 Toyota 4 runner. The 4.0L V6 tows the double axel trailer all day long at about 4500 lbs. i get about 15 mph at 60 mph. I would recommend the Toyota. Unless you have the need to tow at 65-7 mph get a v8 or diesel. Otherwise a v6 does just fine.
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05-13-2014, 03:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,223
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The heavier Toyota might control the slightly lighter mass of the trailer in gusty winds better than a lighter than trailer weight vehicle. I would consider the tow vehicle with the widest stance for stability from side loads imposed by the trailer connection.
Since pickups have relatively light loading on the rear wheels to be able to carry cargo, one might be wise to carry spare water or the like in addition to the tongue weight so the rear tires get a good grip on the road.
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