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Old 09-05-2014, 10:36 AM   #85
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Observation: Many Americans recommend go big with TV. Canadians seem to prefure smaller vehicles. Both agree on one thing. There recommendation is perfect and how dare any one disagree. Canadians do this more tact and courtesy.
Ha ha! It's probably because gas is more expensive up here in the north; we need to think a little more deeply when planning that all important tow vehicle purchase.

I try to retain my English (and now Canadian) tact and courtesy and would never suggest to anyone that I'm doing it right when everyone else is doing it wrong. My line is "you tow how you want to tow".

I do allow myself a little, restrained grimace, though, when people tell me that "you can't tow that with that" when clearly I can. My eyelids may flicker a little with frustration when I'm told that I'm endangering other road users, breaking the law or heading for a huge law suit when clearly I'm not. Other than that I try to remain calm.

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Old 09-05-2014, 10:40 AM   #86
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Doesn't matter to most of us. Your Airstream Owners Manual has braking advice that may be more useful.

Downhill and Non-level Driving
When going downhill in dry weather, downshift so that
engine compression will slow the whole rig down. Take
dips and depressions in the road slowly and do not
resume normal driving speeds until you are sure that the trailer wheels are clear of the dip.

WARNING
On slippery pavement, do not use engine drag to help slow down as this may cause the rear wheels of the tow vehicle to skid. On icy pavement, drive slowly and, if you feel the tow vehicle skidding, gently apply the trailer brakes only. This will bring the tow vehicle and trailer back into a single line. Chains do not help trailer wheels.
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Old 09-05-2014, 10:44 AM   #87
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Towing is an art. And like art appreciation, there are those who know what they like.

And then there are those who only like what they know.
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Old 09-05-2014, 10:47 AM   #88
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?? The truck mass has no impact on the ability to stop. The total brake force and tire grip do....the dissipation of heat also has bearing. The calculation is:

A. 4000 + 7000 = 11k

B. 6500 + 7000 = 13.5K

Vehicle B (+ trailer brakes) must slow down 13.5Klbs while vehicle A (+ trailer brakes) has to slow down 11Klbs. Let's assume the trailer brakes are setup equally, the vehicle has to make up the difference.
This comparison would be true IF there was no engine breaking component involved. Heavy duty trucks mostly use engine breaking (not breaks) to slowdown when going down hill. Chrylser 300 does not have that.
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Old 09-05-2014, 10:57 AM   #89
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This comparison would be true IF there was no engine breaking component involved. Heavy duty trucks mostly use engine breaking (not breaks) to slowdown when going down hill. Chrylser 300 does not have that.

I'm aware of that...however, there are many 6500lb trucks that don't have alternative braking technologies....engine, jake, exhaust etc
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:14 AM   #90
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I'm aware of that...however, there are many 6500lb trucks that don't have alternative braking technologies....engine, jake, exhaust etc
The Dodge Ram 1500 does have it, including in the Hemi. And it works well.
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:26 AM   #91
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The Dodge Ram 1500 does have it, including in the Hemi. And it works well.

My Audi does too when a trailer is plugged in....gas engines don't have exhaust brakes.
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:43 AM   #92
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My Audi does too when a trailer is plugged in....gas engines don't have exhaust brakes.
No but they do have engine compression and a transmission to shift down to use it. Works very well, using in combination with trailer/vehicle brakes on the steepest grades.
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Old 09-05-2014, 11:50 AM   #93
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No but they do have engine compression and a transmission to shift down to use it. Works very well, using in combination with trailer/vehicle brakes on the steepest grades.

So do some small vehicles...my case in point. Which brings us back to the original reason for this off-chute. The large truck still has an additional 2000+lbs to slow down....at a higher center of gravity and likely less tire grip.
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Really grateful that my Dodge Ram Cummins has a manual trans that I can lock into a gear uphill or downhill and also have 4, 4 piston / wheel on the AS disc brakes.

Sorry it's off of the OP's inquiry.
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My Audi does too when a trailer is plugged in....gas engines don't have exhaust brakes.
Gas engines don't need exhaust brakes, they have compression braking if the operator is smart enough to use the gears to slow the vehicle.
Diesel engine have the need for exhaust brakes and they work very well.
You just have to remember the pavement conditions, wet and icey, ist the exhaust brake very sparingly.
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End of debate. I win.
What are the specs on this wee trailer? Is it front bed with toes out the windows?
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Old 09-05-2014, 10:51 PM   #98
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I believe your answer is in finding what will fit for you. I will tell you that most people who have trailers don't buy pickup trucks for the fun of it or just to spend more money on gas, etc. I NEVER owned a truck and probably wouldn't if I did not have a trailer. What really determines it all is capacities, payloads and tow rating. I would advise you as others are saying, DO NOT trust salespeople. They usually only are familiar with one figure- tow rating which is only part of the equation. Payload is critical and a totally different consideration.

Search this forum as others have said. This is an age-old topic with MANY opinions.

On braking, my F150 has electronic geared tow braking on hills- two taps on the brake and it takes over.
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