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01-11-2017, 08:30 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
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Tire comparison
I am buying 2 tires for the rear of my Tundra 2WD.
It currently has Bridgestone Dueler H/T. P275/65R18 all around.
Specs: service 114T
Max load: 2601 @ 44psi
Tread Depth: 11
I am considering the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus
Service: 114H
Max load: 2601 @ 35psi
Tread Depth: 13
If I run the front tires @ 44psi and the rear @ 35 psi which is the max pressure for both types of tires having the same load rating.
What can I expect when it comes to handling?
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01-11-2017, 08:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
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I might be wrong but I was under the impression that tire dealers would not mount two tires that were so different on a vehicle. I know it would not be my choice.
Why are you only replacing the rears?
Mike
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01-11-2017, 08:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 28' International CCD
Springfield
, Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,423
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Always replace tires in a set of 4.
This example on mismatched tires would be a mistake on your part.Poor handling would be just the beginning.
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01-11-2017, 08:52 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
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The front tires are less than a year old. They were installed due to physical damage of the previous 2 front tires. They have less than 5K miles on them. The rear tires have 40K and are worn down to the tread gauge marks.
If I were buying snow tires for winter I would only replace the tires on the rear.
I don't see the need to replace the virtually new front tires.
Convince me I am wrong.
Both tires I have compared have the same max load capacity but different max air specs.
I was considering going to LT tires but my tire lady. Yes a lady. Tells me the P rated tires have the same number of side wall ply's that LT tire have. The difference is in the number of ply's that contact the road.
If I want to go to a stiffer side wall I would need to go to a D or E rated tire which will make the TUNDRA ride like a beet truck (farmers term) and beat me to death.
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01-11-2017, 09:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 25' FB Flying Cloud
Longmont
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I think you were given incorrect specs for the Alenza tire. I looked up the two tires on tirerack.com. The specs for both said 2601 pounds per tire, max pressure 44psi.
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01-11-2017, 10:14 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Ssquared
Thanks! I will check that out.
I would feel more comfortable with the max tire pressures being the same.
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01-11-2017, 10:24 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Vintage Kin Owner
St. Louis
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Your tire lady should have insisted that you run with matching tires on all four corners. Especially since your front tires are so new.
40K miles to the bars isn't that impressive. Next time you may want a tire that gives better service. Tire Rack is THE place to read tire reviews. Michelin LTX tires are highly rated, and reported by some to deliver >75K miles.
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01-11-2017, 10:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Tire comparison
The 40K on the rear tires was the result of towing a 7,500 pound trailer for at least 35 of the 40K. I would consider that to be pretty good service.
When I look at the specs of these tires. There is no significant difference. Only that the latter has a deeper tread pattern and weighs about 3 pounds more.
The Michelin LTX. Tire has a lower weight carrying capacity and a higher pressure requirement than the Bridgestone. The same tread depth and cost $30 more per tire. I don't see the advantage.
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01-12-2017, 04:49 AM
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Rivet Master
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Mantua
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The advantage might be that the Michelin is a better tire.
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01-12-2017, 05:40 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2008 28' International
Happy Valley
, Pennsylvania
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I run "E" rated Michelin LTX Ms2's on my Tundra and it runs smooth. As a matter of fact, my towing experience has been improved. I run 50psi when not towing and 72/75 when towing. Great all around tire and long lasting tread.
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01-12-2017, 06:00 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by avionstream
The advantage might be that the Michelin is a better tire.
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That's for sure.
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01-12-2017, 07:09 AM
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CapriRacer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TG Twinkie
I am buying 2 tires for the rear of my Tundra 2WD.
It currently has Bridgestone Dueler H/T. P275/65R18 all around.
Specs: service 114T
Max load: 2601 @ 44psi
Tread Depth: 11
I am considering the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza Plus
Service: 114H
Max load: 2601 @ 35psi
Tread Depth: 13
If I run the front tires @ 44psi and the rear @ 35 psi which is the max pressure for both types of tires having the same load rating.
What can I expect when it comes to handling?
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First, you've already found out that both tires have the same max pressure - BUT - the above has several errors that are worthy of being corrected.
For P type tires like the above, the max load carrying capacity occurs at 35 psi regardless of what max pressure is written on the sidewall.
- PLUS -
Your vehicle tire placard will tell you what pressure to run (assuming you are using the same size listed.) If I have this correct, the placard should say 30 psi front / 33 psi rear.
And lastly, handling varies considerably from model to model, even within the same brand. That means there is no way to be sure about how this type of change will affect the handling of the vehicle. I urge caution.
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01-12-2017, 08:12 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,052
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I would just replace the rears with whatever you have on the front. You like the service you got from the tires, there will be no incompatibility problems, and your done. Why complicate things?
Mike
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01-12-2017, 08:45 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Vintage Kin Owner
St. Louis
, Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 415
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I chose Michelin (Defender LTX M/S) because of the reviews on Tire Rack, and have been very satisfied. But don't take my word for it. Read the reviews for yourself. Too many people with too much experience to not take it seriously.
I don't recall what air pressure I have in my tires because I don't have to remember. It's written clearly in the door frame how much air I need for optimal handling without the trailer. It's written clearly on the sidewall the pressure needed for maximum weight carrying ability when I am towing. I air up when I'm towing, and down when I'm not.
There is no good that comes from thinking I know more about my tires than the company that made them. I follow the numbers on my tires. I follow the numbers on my door frame. I follow the GAWR, GVWR, CGVWR,... I follow, trust, and believe all of them. Second guessing doesn't work for me.
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01-12-2017, 09:44 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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I also follow the door placard as well as the max pressure data on the tire itself. I don't pretend to be an expert on tires. Thus the reason for this post.
Thanks to all who have chimed in.
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01-12-2017, 11:32 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2021 16' Bambi
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North Port
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I have run both. HL on my truck which I love, excellent wear and stability, and the Alenzas on my wife's Acadia. The Alenzas seem geared more towards ride quality and quietness.
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