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Old 01-15-2013, 09:29 AM   #29
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Ken, my wife and I are both Navy retired. In this photo are First (and current) Navy Jack, Minnesota, U.S., Ohio (her birthplace), and Navy flag. I suppose the Navy Jack should be at the stern of our "ship" while in port, but John doesn't have a flagpole holder for that.

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Man, I'm way out of touch. I discovered this after a little googling to decipher your post. I did not know that they changed the jack.

In regard to where to fly it, you may have to rethink what is bow and stern on an airstream. In port, which I guess is the state a trailer is in when camping, the jack should be flown from the jack staff on the bow and, the Us flag should be flow from the flagstaff on the stern. When you leave the campground and blow your bosun's whistle, you will have to shift the colors to the TV antenna on the roof. I'm not supposed to know all this ship stuff anyway. I was in the brown shoe navy. (At least that's what we called it back in the old days). However I did spend 14 weeks on destroyers while going to college.

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Old 01-15-2013, 10:32 AM   #30
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I agree that I'd rather see the flags flying than not. When I fly mine, I leave them up 24/7 unless of inclement weather that would damage the flags. The "rules" are protocol ( every country has it's own flag protocol ) established by the US Congress. So, while these are not laws in the normal sense, they are made by the lawmakers. If you are going to fly your flags, why wouldn't you want to know if there is a right or wrong way to do so? We held many rallies in Canada and it was well known that we had to have one adjustable flag pole so that our three flags would be flown level as required in Canada. Keep flying those flags, keep the flags in good condition, take pride in your flags and; take extra pride in knowing that you are displaying the flags properly.
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I have an Uncommon USA telescoping pole that we fly, our American Flag, State Flag and a unit officers flag. I have a cheap dusk to dawn spotlight that I mounted to the base and it works very well with a short extension to the outside outlet
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:05 AM   #32
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Here's one for you guys that's only somewhat off topic.

We would like to fly Norway, Great Britain, Germany, and lreland flags as well as the U.S. flag on our 5-pole holder to reflect our heritage at times.

Etiquette says all flags would be straight and equal height, but our holder is an arc giving a curved array. How might we do it properly, and where would the U.S. flag be positioned?

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Old 01-15-2013, 12:22 PM   #33
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Doug, I'm not sure of the height question because of the arch, but when in the US, I believe the US flag should be flown on the Left, as viewed (meaning as you would view it from the front of the trailer) when flown with other countries flags.

But, when flown with state, unit and other flags, the US flag is flown in the middle.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:30 PM   #34
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When all the flags are level in height, the US flag would be on the left end as you look at the front of the trailer. If the flags are of unequal height, the US flag would be in the center and stand higher then the others.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:43 PM   #35
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doug,

I'm not sure there's a correct answer, per se, for your question.

to my knowledge, this document is the reference on Flag Etiquette - The United States Flag: Federal Law Relating to Display and Associated Questions

page 4 states that -
(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to or in place of the flag of the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
and goes on to say -
(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
and then -
(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.
if you're not able to adjust the 3 center poles, or the fasteners on the poles to make the otherwise curved & angled array hang at the same height,

I would then simply place the US flag in the center position, and apologize to anyone who chooses to be offended by a reasonable and sincere effort at a display of your pride in all your countries of ancestry....

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Is the light pollution at night ever a bother to neighbouring campers?
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Is the light pollution at night ever a bother to neighbouring campers?
I have seen big moho's with 110v floodlights illuminating the flag and everything nearby, meeting the letter of the law but little consideration for anything else.

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Old 01-15-2013, 04:52 PM   #38
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I take my flags down at night because I don't like them rocking the trailer. Now that I know there is a rule against it, I will leave the American one up all night even in a storm.
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I thought it was normal to fly the flag during daylight hours and flying it at night was optional.
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Here are some pics of what is working well for me. It is a $5 light from Lowe's, it is 12 volt and wires easily to existing 12 volt at the jack post. I made the light mount out of wood, which i turned on a wood lathe. It is very simple to "put on" and "take off" , just takes a little creativity to mount to the camper.

A slight modification to the light stem, a short piece of pvc conduit and some black paint. I also used 1/4" wire loom to "pretty" up the job.
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Here are some pics of what is working well for me. It is a $5 light from Lowe's, it is 12 volt and wires easily to existing 12 volt at the jack post. I made the light mount out of wood, which i turned on a wood lathe. It is very simple to "put on" and "take off" , just takes a little creativity to mount to the camper.

A slight modification to the light stem, a short piece of pvc conduit and some black paint. I also used 1/4" wire loom to "pretty" up the job.
Sandlapper, that is Great ingenuity! Anything else would be stuck in the dirt or just standing on the pad and either of those options are a tripping object in the way.

And I appreciate your posting the pics! With your permission I'd like to copy that ....

Anyone have or have seen a better working way to illuminate the flags? Now I just need to get on of 'em flag holders....

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Hey thanks Steve, mine works really well for me. I tried several different combinations, settled on this one. Please feel free to help yourself. I am working on a permanant, easy mount for the light onto my pole holder so a custom fitted wooden thing would not be necessary for the coupler latch. I am also still searching for a nice quality, perhaps aluminum, spot light. In the mean time, this rig provides cheap thrills.

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The light: 12 volt low voltage from Lowes. 4w, $5. Plenty bright enough to light up Old Glory w/o bothering the neighbors. Other styles are available, including a "wall wash" version around $35. I cut the stake portion off , leaving about 1'' of the straight section to insert into the piece of pvc. I cut off the factory wiring coupler and crimped on 1/2 of a automotive type 12v protected coupler.

The wooden post thing: I turned it out of wood, one end turned down to accept the pvc, other end sawed into a saddle shape to fit over the coupler latch. Insert a pin/clip thing to hold it on. I have an idea for a way to put the light directly onto the holder but haven't quite worked it out yet.

The wiring: My trailer already had a light on the jack post so I just spliced into it with the other half of the electrical coupler thing. That way it is simple to unplug and remove for traveling, and it serves as the switch.

The PVC collar: Standard 3/4'' grey pvc conduit, about 3'' long.

I used 1/4'' wire loom to clean up the wiring, and black paint on the wooden thing and the conduit.

I don't split hairs over protocol, but when it is easy to do the right thing, I try to do it.

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