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Gator113 09-13-2009 02:55 PM

Intro/help.... Greetings to all of you happy campers.
 
Greetings to all,

I hope this finds you all in good health, successful in your endeavors and happy in life.

I retired at 53 and quickly made my way to 60. We love playing outside and traveling. My beautiful Bride and I started camping with a single one person sleeping bag and through the years (38 wonderful years so far) we worked our way through tents, larger tents, a tent trailer, a 24' box camp trailer, a 29' 5th wheel and we are now back to a tent (not much, just with young grandsons... LOL) and motels. I have learned to hate staying in motels, not to mention the cost.

Once a year, we take a 30 day road trip and travel throughout the USA. A couple of years ago we crossed the country from the west coast to Charleston, South Carolina. We danced in the Atlantic ocean and headed home, covering as many states, small towns and side roads as we could. We put over 9000 miles on one of my Harley's on that trip.... and loved every mile.

We also like to camp in our boat on the water from time to time.We live near the Straight of Juan de Fuca, in Port Angeles, Washington, so it's easy for us to do.

Due to health issues, I must modify our mode of travel. I have always admired the Airstream and it is now time for me to buy one.

I am not even a first timer, we looking for our first Airstream trailer and have been for several weeks. It's been a tough few weeks in trying to sort all of this out, but this site has certainly been very helpful.

I think we are close on deciding what we want. I absolutely love the vintage trailers, but due to health and time left on this planet, I will stick with the newer-- slightly used trailers or the new ones.

I think we want a trailer from 25' to 28'.... no smaller, no longer. I have a 2007 Tundra with nearly 400 hp that will tow 10,500 pounds.

While I might make an exception, we are thinking 2005 or newer. We like the rear bed because that allows for the entry door set up such that I can use my right hand to grab the handle to pull myself up the steps. I like either twins or the north/south queen bed. The least amount of carpet would be good for us, as we have a German Shepherd dog that I no longer go anywhere without.... they shed like no other. ;>)

We are fine without the dinette and like the couch at the front of the trailer.

I recognize that we have to be flexible and thus far, I like all of the models, but my favorite is the Classic with all of that hickory wood.

Last week we drove to the nearest dealer to check how these guys look up close... loved them!! The dealer doesn't sound like he wants to deal, so I will look around and wait for the economy to starve him into a better attitude or I will find one someplace else. I found the exact model that he priced at 84K
on the east coast for 20K less... though that's still a bit more than I want to pay, if I can get away with it. If need be, I will drive my truck across the US to bring home what I want.... I can be hardheaded and extremely focused on a target. ;>)

On the way home we found a used trailer not more that 15 minutes from our home. It was on a lot that was closed for the weekend. A 2005 25', classic, twin bed... it had tons of extras. It was as if it came off of the showroom floor....... priced at 30K.

The next morning, I was quickly pre-approved for the loan and we called the seller at 9am.... it had already been sold. It had been on the lot for 3 days and it was already gone. I quickly came to the impression that this was not going to be easy and it was going to take some time. Darn, I would have already been camping!

I just realized that I got a bit long here, so I will end this.

I would appreciate any and all tips..... or leads to find our Airstream... it's got to be out there.

Best to all,

Dan

moosetags 09-13-2009 03:05 PM

Greetings from the Florida Panhandle
 
Welcome to the Forums. We're glad to have you with us.

You've found the right place for the very best Airstream information. Have a look around and ask all the questions that you want.

Brian

Gator113 09-13-2009 03:06 PM

I neglected to mention. Lot's and lot's of windows. It's a must for me.

This should allow me to feel like I'm outside even on those days that I can't be. My health issues work like this. One day I can feel great and do much, the next I may have to just hangout, so for me, the windows/windows/windows are a must.

TBRich 09-13-2009 03:07 PM

Welcome to the Forums, Dan...it's a great place with lots of knowledgeable folks eager to help when they can... Be persistent and your Airstream will find you...the 25', 27' and 28's are very popular floor plans and serve many Airstreamers very well... It sounds like you have a history of great adventures and this will only be a new chapter and a fine way to continue the trend... Keep a close eye on the classifieds here...lots of Airstreams pass through them...and good luck!

Hope to see you down the road...you are from a beautiful part of the country...we have friends in that area and will no doubt head that way one day...on our own adventures...

Happy trails...

Gator113 09-13-2009 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moosetags (Post 747212)
Welcome to the Forums. We're glad to have you with us.

You've found the right place for the very best Airstream information. Have a look around and ask all the questions that you want.

Brian

Thanks. This place sure seems to have a wealth of information... and very friendly and knowledgeable folks. I think I am going to like it here.....

Now, back to the hunt.

Gator113 09-13-2009 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBRich (Post 747214)

Hope to see you down the road...you are from a beautiful part of the country...we have friends in that area and will no doubt head that way one day...on our own adventures...

Happy trails...

Indeed, it is quite beautiful here. I live on 5 archers of the water view side of a mountain, at an altitude of 1000' that is located only 3 miles up from SR 101.

I own a John Deere tractor with a loader and backhoe. It takes very little effort to put in a dry camping spot up here. I already have one area parked out with hookups for a couple of friends that come to visit. I might very well put in a couple dry spots for Airstream folks to stop over at on their way through. No cost, just enjoy the view and the area.... and my 26 brown-egg laying hens. ;>)

Anyway, we will see where this all heads after I find that dream trailer. ;>)

Bird's Nest 09-13-2009 03:41 PM

Hello from Georgia;

I am a transplant from South Eastern Washington, 1985. I am still not acclimated to the humidity!

We had a similar search last February. As a child of the 60s, I fell in love with the CCDs. We were blessed to find a slightly used 2004 28' on a lot in GA. We love it. It would have been nice to buy it from an individual because in GA you do not pay sales tax on vehicles you buy privately. Is it like that in WA?

We have had great experiences buying and selling vehicles online.
Some great sites for RVs are:
RV TraderĀ® - New and Used RVs for sale on RV Trader
RVTrader.com now RVT.com New and Used RV Online Classifieds. RVs for sale Online

We drove to Iowa to pick up a Winnebago Class C two years ago. Our teenage boys thought it was too dorky to be seen in. We did better on the 2nd try. They love the Airstream. We took it on a 2 1/2 week family trip out west this summer. My husband and I take it out once or twice a month. The boys are 16 and 18 so we are almost like empty nesters. We would love to fit an Airstream event in soon but we are not retired and we home school so it is hard to get one that works with the calendar.

Best wishes on your hunt. I can't wait to see what you get.

Gayle

Gator113 09-13-2009 04:21 PM

Thank you, Gayle,

No, it's not like that in Washington, they will collect their ridiculous taxes regardless of where you purchased the trailer. The dealer informed me that were I to buy a new one from him, the sales tax alone would be 10%. In Spokane, it was something like 8.8%. Yet the politicians wonder why the economy is in the dump! Money that I would have put into the economy is taken and wasted by the government....grrrrr.

If you buy from a private party in Washington, you will pay taxes on what your bill of sale says, or they will charge you blue book.

loudruff 09-13-2009 04:41 PM

Classifieds
 
Be sure to keep your eye on the Classifieds here on the forums. In March this year we found a "new to us" '89 Excella 1000 29 footer. The PO had done a bunch of work on it and it looked wonderful. We are 60/61 and retired and we did not want to spend lots of time rehabing one either. We went to see it and it was a pretty thing! It is updated for us and we can get out and camp. Even though it is 20 yrs. old it does not look like it! Maybe you can find one that will fit your needs. Good luck in your search!

Gator113 09-13-2009 05:01 PM

I'm getting excited again. I just now looked at an RV Trader site and I have already found some possibilities.

A couple are bit older that I have been looking for, but from what I can see on the computer, some are looking like good prospects.

loudruff 09-13-2009 05:07 PM

Classifieds
 
The AirForums Classifieds rock! Keep your eye on them right here on this site. There are also lots of trailer inspectors here that have volunteered to go and take a look at units that may be further away. They will usually go and take a look and let you know their opinion, sometimes at a mininimal cost for their gas and mileage. We have done this a few times and taken lots of pictures as well as carrying the inspection list to evaluate the "find". And I forgot to mention that their are often rallies that you can go to and have a look at different floor plans and sizes. Everyone loves to show off their Airstream!

Alwhisman 09-13-2009 05:44 PM

Welcome! You are in the right place. I can't imagine anything I couldn't find out right here.

Good luck on your hunt for your AS. No doubt you'll find what you're looking for...

Al

Gator113 09-13-2009 06:23 PM

Thanks for the advise. I am starting to get the impression that this AS stuff is a passion for most and it may be a fun way to meet others with the same interests.

I can assure you that us motorcycle enthusiasts (cleaned up version for "bikers") and boaters (cleaned up version of salty sailors that love the sea almost as much as their brides) are very much that way. ;>)

I am very much looking forward to joining this lifestyle.

I probably sound crazy to some, but a man who is interested in everything, is always too busy, but he is never bored. LOL

obxgal 09-13-2009 07:45 PM

Hello from Va
 
Hi Dan!
I have a local dealer who uses RVTrader to sell as we are a tad rural and really not a lot of population...but he told me he really does haggle a lot and come down as it's far better to have SOME sales than none....so I would check them out.

I recently made a great deal on Ebay...it was July and the auction ended at noon on a Monday. which can be terrible for the seller...but I have been very ahppy with my purchase. Also, check out your local Craigslist listings as there have been two on ours this summer..both were newer models and too costly for me, but you stated that you want a newer one.

It'll be such fun when you do find it! This is a truly addicting brand! Just the beauty of hte design and the quality of hte engineering mae me feel good!

good luck!

Susan in VA

ArveeBob 09-16-2009 09:59 AM

Dan,
I live here in WA as well and used to work for Great American RV n Fife.They are an Airstream dealer.Look up Gary Troger there, he is a good man and will help you with your decision.
Regards,
Arveebob

ArveeBob 09-16-2009 10:08 AM

Oh ya I almost forgot!
If there is something you want looked at in the Pierce county area, let me know.
I am experienced in soundness evaluation and price assessment.
Arveebob

Gene 09-16-2009 11:01 AM

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Welcome Gator. Are you still using the single sleeping bag?

We have a 2007 Tundra and have towed for almost 2 trouble free years. Check out the Airstream website for specs on various trailers. I think the limit for the Tundra is our 25' FB Safari (now called Flying Cloud), but a reasonable argument can be made for the 27' and 28'. The more expensive trailers tend to be heavier. Payload is the big issue with 1/2 ton pickups so figure that carefully. I will attach a pdf file of weights going back many years.

The 1990's trailers are much lighter and then you could consider a longer, heavier one, but finding one in good condition can be a challenge. You have to be patient. The new ones depreciate fast and have many quality control issues. Recent ones can be had cheaper and hopefully the QC problems have been solved after several years, but other things may come up. Corrosion is an issue with many newer trailers; there's a long, long thread on that. QC has spawned a lot of threads too. A 1990's trailer will probably need more work and replacement of expensive items like appliances.

I read everything I could on the Forum and a few books on RV's before we bought our Safari and that helped me be a bit more knowledgeable about what we were doing. Still, we are learning all the time. It's hard to be patient once you get aluminitis. Once you get a trailer, it's expensive if you decide you don't like it and realize you should have gotten that other one. Visit a few dealers and look over all the Airstreams and take as much time as you want. Check out whether you fit on the bed, on the toilet and whether it feels right. It can be dangerous amongst all that aluminum not to buy one of the spot, so leave the credit cars and checkbooks locked up somewhere else. RV sales are way down and deals can be found. People go all over the country to buy the right Airstream at the right price.

For used ones, there are Forum members willing to inspect and they can be found on the right side of the Forum page. Some people advertise trailers as in fine shape and when you get there they are junk. I would be wary of buying one that I'd hadn't seen even with the help of the inspector. You have to be fast to get a good one. It can be frustrating because sometimes you lose the deal if you don't have your own plane warmed up to get there faast. But, getting the right one at a good price is important.

Good luck with your quest.

Gene

Gator113 09-16-2009 05:09 PM

Bob, thank you. I will keep that in mind.

Last week we drove over to the Fife dealer and he didn't have any used trailers.

I have a whole new respect for the AS now that I have become familiar with the prices of the new one's.... ouch! We looked at a 2008 25' Classic and the sales guy wasn't going to budge off of the MSRP of a bit over $84,000. I always try to be a polite gentleman, but I lost it and laughed out loud at the guy.

Considering the present economy and the fact that he had a qualified and motivated buyer standing in front of him, I was amazed. I found the same trailer in New Jersey... slashed down to about 69K and it was a 2009. I'm starting to wonder if aluminum is edible. ;>)

So, having felt the full force of "sticker shock" and knowing that I didn't want to start selling off my other toys, (I'm old, but I'm still only 60), I decided that I must be low in the monetary food chain of life and instead of a "new" trailer, we are now committed to finding a well kept preowned AS. Heck, we gave much of our money to the government in DC and Wall Street over this past year, so were are just trying to unload some of what we have left before they come back for seconds. LOL

I might have found a good prospect at a dealership in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I'll talk about it in another post.

Dan

Gator113 09-16-2009 06:40 PM

Gene,

I appreciate you taking the time to educate me. On this subject, I feel dumber than a box of rocks, but I was born persistent, so I'll get there. ;>)

I've been net shopping around the clock. I have been reading and looking at photos and video's as much as I can.

During the past 2 days. have spoken to 4 salesmen around the country. This is fun, a bit frustrating and it feels very risky to shop this way... but I'm in it to win it. I WILL have an Airstream.

I have been trying to get a handle on all of the concerns regarding weight. I think I am starting to get the drift. While we had wanted a 25' Classic at first, we have been thinking that we might need a bit more room, so I have also been looking at 27 and 28's. I won't go larger than a 28'. Most of the time, this trailer will only have to take care of my Bride, my German Shepherd dog and me. I suppose that eventually, we could have some of our 7 grandchildren along for a trip. 2 or 3 at a time of course. ;>)

While we will camp locally, it would not be out of the question for me to, at the drop of a hat, point the truck east and not turn around until I felt like going west again. ;>) A couple of years ago we did that on a Harley and we ended up crossing the country and logging over 9000 miles during that 30 day vacation. LOL

So, my truck and trailer need to be compatible... I want this to be a dance, not a fight. I would not enjoy white knuckle driving.

As it turns out, I am considering a 2005 28' Classic that's on a lot in Colorado Springs. This trailer would put me out of compliance with the 80/20 rule, instead, the math comes out to 85/15 (that's rounded up), but I "think" I am okay with that. The tongue weight for this trailer is 730 pounds. The TW rating on my Tundra is at least 750#..... I should know exactly what that number is later today.

Now I would like to find someone that might be close enough to the trailer that they would be willing to check it out for me. I have family that are in sales, so I am reminded of something President Reagan had said, "trust, but verify"

The trailer sure looks good to me over the net... pic's and video. I have already got him to come down 3K, but I still don't know if it's a good deal. I told him that if this is going to be the one, I would leave a week from this Friday and be there by the following Monday. It should only take 2 long and hard driven days to get there. When I was younger I could have done it in less than 24 hours. ;>)

So far these are the issues that I can determine from the pic's:

-There are a couple dings on a rock guard, but none on the body... no dents, no creases, no discoloration and the clear-coat is supposed to be without blemish.

-The coating has pealed off of the lower bump strip (if that's what it's called) on the door side. I think that would be easy for me to replace, but I don't know what they cost.

-There is some chipping of the leading edge of the wood on the pocket door located directly off of the kitchen. It looks easy for me to repair.

I haven't discovered any other issues. The sales guy describes the trailer as in excellent shape. He can't give me any history on the unit as they bought it at auction. It looks very clean.

I think the only upgrades are the air-conditioner/heat-pump and a fold down shelf for a TV in the bedroom. I will need to buy my own TV's.

I'm sorry that this post got so long...

Best to you,

Dan

Gator113 09-16-2009 07:38 PM

Correction, the tongue weight spec for my Tundra is 1030 pounds.

Gene 09-16-2009 08:33 PM

Dan, by tongue wt. do you mean payload? I have a double cab 4WD with the 5.7 L. engine. Payload on that one is around 1,500 lbs. The crew cab has a bit lower payload. Some other models are higher.

The "lower bump strip"—do you mean the trim at the bottom of the aluminum. I think people call it banana wrap, but I've never been sure. If that's what you mean, the shiny chrome like strip in the trim is a strip with a glue backing that is fairly easy to replace and I don't think it's all that expensive. It has a tendency to delaminate and I have have a couple of pieces replaced under warranty.

Dents in the rock guards come with time. That's why they're there—top prevent dents in the aluminum. They are stainless steel.

I'm sure you can get TV's cheaper anywhere else—I got my HDTV for our home on Amazon. Does it have the TV antenna?

Get the biggest A/C you can—trailer heat up fast, although having been in Pt. Angeles, I'm not sure the sun shines there ever.

A 4 year old trailer will have some scratches and such—the road can be hard on a trailer.

Ask how old the tires are—4 year old tires can be near or at the end of their lives. Trailer (ST) tires are not very good. The OEM tires are Goodyear Marathons; they have a bad reputation. You might consider Maxxis as many people replace their tires with that brand. Check carefully for tread separation, cracks.

Try to see if you can get some kind of warranty from them. I know is over a 1,000 miles away, but try it anyway at least to get some things fixed while you're there. Wherever you buy one, stick around for a few days to check everything out. Bring a list with you of things you want to know because no one can remember everything. Ask them to spend several hours with you going over things. It is a house and has lots to learn.

We looked at trailers in Colorado Springs. The salesman told me all sorts of lies about what our 2002 Tundra could tow (we traded for the 2007 because the 1st generation with the 4.7 L. just wasn't enough truck in my opinion), went to answer the phone and never came back. We walked out. We ended up buying in Denver, but that's a dealer to avoid because of their shop. I don't think dealers get a lot of used ones and most people buy privately. There are some dealers that get a lot of kudos on this Forum and Airstream of Arkansas probably gets the most, but Colonial in NJ and the one in Eugene, Ore., have some favorable opinions. I'm sure there a few others, but I can't remember them all.

The 28' Safari is possibly doable with a 5.7 L Tundra; I don't know how much heavier the Classic is. There's a lot of question where the 80% rule came from and I think it's somewhere between old wives tale and conventional wisdom. It's nice to have a margin of safety, but be flexible and check the weight thing carefully. It's hard to figure out. I have towed our Safari over Colorado mountain passes at more than 65 and the truck does it effortlessly. It also uses a lot of gas, so I usually go 45-55, but sometimes I'm in a hurry. Our Tundra tows our 25' easily, so compare the weights on a 28' on that assuming you have a comparable Tundra. There are Forum members that tow 27's and 28's with 2nd generation Tundras and have no problems.

Don't worry about long posts—I do it all the time. Of course, I don't know if anyone reads the whole thing.

Gene

Gator113 09-16-2009 11:02 PM

Gene,

My Tundra is a white 2007 (late year after they got the bugs out) 5.7 L, standard bed, double cab, 4x4 with the tow package. I bought it to tow my boat, a 28' ocean ready very fast cruiser/camper/fishing boat. It weighs about 7K dry, but it's never been dry and it holds 100 gallons of fuel.... and I don't even feel it back there. Although I haven't had any need to tow it over mountains etc, because the boat ramp is only 15 minutes from my house. ;>)

I have also towed my JD 970 tractor with the loader and backhoe attachments, a load that comes to about 9 to 10K. But again, I don't tow it far, because I have never had a reason to do so. The Tundra doesn't even break a sweat.

I can't offer more clarity in regard to the "lower bump strip", it's tough to see in the photos.

The AC is an upgrade from stock and is described as a 15,000 BTU A/C with heat pump. I don't know where that fit's in the AC food chain.

This trailer is supposed to weigh 6785 pounds from the factory, dry. This gives should give me 2215 pounds to work with.... such as water, propane clothes, food, dog, wife, me etc. At least this is what a salesman in Minnesota told me.

They told me they would give me a 30 day warranty and that for those things covered, I could take it to any AS shop and they would pay the bill.

Good point about the age of the tires. tough to tell from pics, but the thread looks sufficient, but I had not thought about the age. They are probably the original tires.I might as well plan to replace them.

I neglected to specifically ask about an antenna, but it is wired for a tv in the living area as well as the bedroom.

Thanks again,
Dan

Gator113 09-16-2009 11:04 PM

Thanks Bob. I will contact him if my shopping takes me back to that store.

Gene 09-17-2009 09:15 AM

Gator, you have the same truck we do except for the color which will not affect anything. Any color truck looks good with an Airstream. As I said, payload is the issue. I think we are at about 90% of payload, maybe a bit more. Things tend to accumulate in the truck bed and cab. You may have to put the dog on a diet.

15,000 btu is, I believe, the largest A/C you can get on that trailer.

All I know about the dealer in Minnesota is when I called them to get part numbers (I had a wheel bearing failure in Minnesota last spring, another story), the parts guy was very friendly and helpful. I seem to remember a post where someone complained about the dealer though. As always, be careful with a dealer you don't know, and I think you know that.

Keep having fun with this and the anxiety comes with it. Once you make a deal, don't look back because you'll never know if you could have gotten a better one.

Gene

Gator113 09-17-2009 11:13 AM

Good morning Gene,

It is my understanding that there are some members that volunteer as trailer inspectors on this site. Do you know if there is a listing for those folks?

It would be great if I could find one living in Colorado Springs, that might be up to the task.

I may be just thick headed, but I am not sure where it is allowable on this site to start a thread covering this call-out for assistance.

My personality will not allow me to buy the trailer without an objective evaluation from someone other than the salesman. I need to either find some help or walk away from the deal. I could fly down, but I don't fly well because of health issues.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could just point me to such a listing or tell me where it's acceptable to post such a request.

Thank you,

Dan

UPDATE: I think I just found where I should post the "call-out" request.... in the "off topic" forum.

Gene 09-17-2009 11:40 AM

Dan, go to the Forum page and on the right side are "Inspectors".

Gene

Gator113 09-17-2009 11:50 AM

Will do.

Relentless 09-17-2009 12:50 PM

Hey Gator;

We were just in Pt. Angeles last week on our way to Cape Flatery. We stayed at Shadow Mt. and drove, without the trailer, out to the Cape. Beautiful. We also stayed at Graylands State Prk. just south of Westport. Its on the beach and magnificent. I highly recommend it when you find your dream.

Be a little careful of the Colorado Springs dealer. A friend of mine bought a 19' from him in 2007. He paid the same price I did for my 25'. The first night out from the dealer on the way back here, he found that the fan on the converter didn't work. He discovered this when he saw smoke. No damage. Also, the trailer had been on the lot over the winter, was not winterized properly, and developed a leak in the fresh water line.

If you haven't contacted them already, talk to Sutton RV in Eugene. They gave me a great deal in '07 on a brand new, ordered from the factory, Safari. 50K delivered with all options. They always seem to have a lot of Airstreams on their lot.

Good Luck.

John

Gator113 09-17-2009 01:40 PM

Thanks John.

I appreciate your warning. I am close to writing the check, but from this site I have concluded that I should be a bit more cautious than I might have been.

I am hoping to find an inspector to help me limit how much I could get screwed. I would like to close very soon, but I keep shopping while waiting this out.

In any case, I will not just drive off after the purchase, I plan to spend the night in the trailer right on the lot or right next to it.

I am not sure if I should read anything into this, but they can't provide me with history on the trailer, because they bought it at auction. It sure looks good in the video and pic's though. I talked them down by 3K, but I need somebody that knows the product to tell me if the price is reasonable.... I think it is, but I am not sure yet.

I'll call your dealer and see if they have what I am looking for.

Thanks again.

Dan

Relentless 09-17-2009 03:20 PM

Spending the night is the right idea. Obviously, my friend did not do that. One of the things I liked about Sutton, and I'm sure you will insist on from whomever you buy, was a though walk thru. They ran every system with me watching and then had me run each system. It took 3 hours and was well worth it.

You're doing your homework so I have great confidence that you will get exactly what you are looking for and never regret the buy.

John

Aage 09-17-2009 04:21 PM

Dan,

Welcome to airforum.com and the world of Airstreaming. As the saying goes, opinions are like, uh, elbows, we all have one, so I'll jump right in and give you mine;

Everybody starts out thinking that a 25-footer is all they need. But don't fall for 2-foot-itis (the feeling that you should have bought one 2 feet longer). I have NEVER heard anyone that bought the one of the big boys (30-34') complain that there is just too darn much room. :rolleyes:

Also, with some of the floor plans in the longer trailers, you can get the rear bed, the dinette, AND the pull-out couch. This makes for ready-to-go sleeping for six. I agree that the rear bed is the best arrangment; nobody has to walk by you in the night to get to the loo! :lol: And even if there's just two of you, it's nicer to not have to haul a table up and down just to have a meal...

As for the bed arrangement, the only note I would make is that from what I've seen, the rear twins gives you the most square footage of any of the bed setups. You may prefer to "get crowded" though. :brows:

Anyways, good luck with your purchase, and be sure to flood us with photos when you choose one! :flowers:

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tallytwo1994 09-17-2009 09:02 PM

There were several threads this summer about extensive hail damage to Airtreams including a info about a dealer lot- I believe in Colorado. It would make me very curious if the dealer told me they don't know the history becaue it was bought at auction. What kind of price would they have paid without knowing what they were buying?

Just something to think about.
Carol

Gene 09-17-2009 09:28 PM

The hail damage was at a dealer in Denver, not Colorado Springs. The hailstorm went through the area that dealer is located in. Note sure, Carol, if this explains anything regarding your post.

Gene

Gator113 09-17-2009 11:30 PM

Aage, all good points.

I like the twins, but we are willing to compromise on that if we get the 28".

I know all too well what you mean by 2-foot-itis. When I bought my boat it seemed large... until I docked next to a larger one. ;>)

I think we would be happy with a 25', 27' or 28'. My truck is new and I love it, so I am not interested in getting a more powerful TV.

Whatever we end up with, I'll have to figure out how to protect that small bit of carpet. I'll probably get a nice throw rug to put over it. I have a German Shepherd dog and I don't go anywhere without my boy. He is a well mannered gentleman, but boy can he shed., shed and shed some more.

Crowded is still good. ;>)

Thanks,

Dan

Gator113 09-17-2009 11:39 PM

I asked about hail damaged and was told that there wasn't any. The photos and video don't show the roof, but I see no evidence of hail hits.

Of course you folks now have me worried about how I'm going to react should I find a hail storm. Perhaps pull over and put the mattress, bedding, clothes and couch cushions up on the roof. ;>)

Gator113 09-17-2009 11:45 PM

"3 hours." LOL... I am about the least bashful guy you could ever meet. Those poor folks are going to be so sick of me by the end of the day, they might even pay me to just leave the lot. I would have been a politician, but I can't lie. LOL

tallytwo1994 09-18-2009 12:01 AM

I'l try to explain a little better.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrawfordGene (Post 749176)
The hail damage was at a dealer in Denver, not Colorado Springs. The hailstorm went through the area that dealer is located in. Note sure, Carol, if this explains anything regarding your post.

Gene

Well, suppose you were a dealer whose stock was damaged. Insurance covers the cost of the damage and the repairs are made, but everybody knows what happened. So, you sell your repaired Airtreams at auction. Another dealer could then purchase them to resell and as long as they say they "don't KNOW the history" they are off the hook.

This kind of reshuffling of stock was done after several tropical storms here in Florida. Cars were flooded on the sales lot and then sold at auction to dealers all over the state after they were cleaned up.

Just trying to raise the issue so the trailer is checked carefully.:flowers:

Carol

Gator113 09-18-2009 02:31 AM

Things have changed a wee bit....
 
Carol and others,

I can't tell you folks how pleased I am over finding this site. Many of you have helped me think of things I might have otherwise missed until AFTER I committed money.

From the photographs (poor quality) and video (not a full 360 view) I felt that the outside of the trailer skin was fine. Additionally, during my discussions with the salesman there had been NO indication that any problem existed. It was only because I specifically asked, that I learned of a few rock dings on the rock guards, certainly something I could live with. Because of some of the members here, I became concerned over the possibility that hail or some other such damage, could be at places not depicted in the photos and video. I asked the sales guy for a few more pics including some of the rear. He did send the requested material. I noted that the rear shots were not complete (missing top rear-curb side) and they were washed out. I could see no damage and I also couldn't see if there wasn't any.

Don't stop reading now... this gets better.

I have spent most of this week getting money available, scheduling a 1500 mile trip (one way) down to the store, and getting my wife to arrange time off from work for late next week. I have also been on the hunt for someone to go inspect this trailer before I got much further into the deal. That was the trigger I was waiting on.

I started this journey at the bottom of the learning curve, so I sure haven't had time to get bored. I have started to look into the various hitches and scheduled my son to install the brake controller. For the most part, my mind had already bought this trailer.

Although it was looking like this deal was going to work, I continued to shop just in case.

Tonight, I spotted an advertisement on the net for a 2005 28' Airstream Classic. I noted that they wanted the exact price for the one I had been looking at. I viewed their video and could see that the background on the video was very similar to the other trailer. The more I focussed on the details it became apparent that I was looking at a different video, done for the same dealer of the same trailer. This video was done by a different salesman.

This salesman did a much better job with the video. He did a complete walk-around narrating issues that a customer might be interested in knowing before even considering this trailer. He pointed out all of the same small issues that I had already found by viewing the first video, almost frame by frame. Even the small nicks on the leading edge of one of the sliders were perfect matches. There was something different though, this video showed HAIL DAMAGE and it's existence was mentioned on the video. At the top rear--curb side, were what were described as 15 to 20 dings from hail. Although they were never shown, he also said there were more on the front of the trailer.

Now, I sure don't know that anyone was trying to pull something off here. It could easily be that the left didn't know what the right had done. Both videos were on the net and both showed the same dealer name. However, had I not seen this second video and had I not been able to find someone to inspect it for me, I might very well had wasted a week in travel, time and money and still not come home with an Airstream. Additionally, I had been seriously considering a flight down there early next week... if I hadn't found an inspector.

So, as upset as I am, I consider myself lucky. I'll tell you one thing, that sales guy and the owner of that dealership is not going to like our conversations in the morning. It's probably a waste of time to complain, because it doubtful that I would ever buy anything from them now. But, I do want them to know how much money they lost. I might have had them put new bearings in, new brakes and new tires. I would have bought a few other AS accessories that any rookie would buy.

I just can't see me buying a 2005 Airstream Classic for 40K, that already has hail damage.

So now it's back to shopping. I hate shopping, I like buying and using, but shopping sucks. ;>)

If anyone thinks I'm being too picky, please speak up. I am new at this and I only want to do it once... I won't be around long enough to do it twice.

Best regards and thank you... now go rest your eyes,

Dan

p.s. If there is any misspelling, they are typos, it's late and I did this with one hand. ;>)

Aage 09-18-2009 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator113 (Post 749199)
I think we would be happy with a 25', 27' or 28'. My truck is new and I love it, so I am not interested in getting a more powerful TV.

Dan,

If that is what is stopping you from going larger, have a look at this thread:

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...eam-55607.html

Your truck could two TWO large trailers. https://www.airforums.com/attachments...0a982e0d90.gif Just kidding. But it would certainly tow one of any model.

ps: I think you did the right thing concerning the one you were looking at; hail damage is not easily repaired...

Gene 09-18-2009 05:55 AM

Dan,

Glad to see you discovered that 2nd video. The Denver dealer was trying to sell hail damaged trailers at a pretty high price and must have given up and auctioned them. Now we know there are hail damaged trailors out there on sales lots besodes where they were damaged. Carol figured it out.

Size: when I was in my 30's I drove a '73 Honda Civic cross country with a girlfriend, lots of clothes, food and camping gear and it didn't feel small to me (how did we get all that stuff in there?). Now our '06 4Runner feels small and the Tundra feels almost big enough. Long ago I lived in a 400 square foot cabin in the Colorado mountains with a roommate and it seemed just right, now I have a 2,440' house and an 1,800' shop. Times change, perceptions change, we adapt.

When we first took an almost 4 week trip in the Safari, I started to feel claustrophobic after a while. Both of us in the kitchen was a challenge. But 6 months later, we took a 4 week trip and it didn't feel small. In fact, it feels pretty big right now. Maybe I could tow it with a Civic.

We liked the 27' FB—it's the stretch version of the 25'. The orientation of the bed was better and there's about a foot extra storage. But we wanted the shortest big trailer we could get and we wanted to use the 2nd generation Tundra to tow it. And it had to have a queen bed. The 27' was $4,000 more. So we got the 25' FB. That's how we made the decision.

Others have different ways at getting to the decision and if you're looking used, a wise choice I now believe, it just takes more time to get what you want. Others looking for a used one have had the same trickery and disappointments you've had and eventually they find the one that makes sense and feels right. And we adapt, even though it was a close call and the 27' still looks real good to me. And those big 31's and 34's are really nice too.

You're doing your homework. You'll find one. RV's aren't exactly flying off the lots and the season to sell is over.

Gene

ROBERT CROSS 09-18-2009 06:39 AM

Use a pro.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator113 (Post 749213)
Carol and others,
So now it's back to shopping. I hate shopping, I like buying and using, but shopping sucks. ;>)
Dan

Dan,

Have you considered using the professional on your team? You must realize it's in their DNA. My BB is totally responsible for us procuring our Classic. Maybe your BB & my BB could get together and tag-team the salesman. :lol:

For real now.....you are on a very good heading, stay on course, TRY to be patient, keep in touch on the Forum and it will all work itself out.

Bob

tallytwo1994 09-18-2009 11:24 PM

I'm so sorry this didn't work out – I just felt they were hiding something. But what I really thought they might have done was try and sell a trailer that had been damaged and then been "fixed". If a panel had been replaced, more than likely they would have used Olympic rivets and, that deserves a major discount.

Finding that second video was fortunate. Have faith and the right trailer will come along.

Carol

Relentless 09-19-2009 08:29 AM

Please keep us up to date on your shoping adventures. I think a lot of people on this forum will learn much from your experience.

John

Gator113 09-24-2009 01:37 PM

Attention Management:
 
Apparently I am too stupid to function on this site.

I have spent a good part of the morning trying to log in and being blocked at every turn. FINALLY, I made it in, but it's not worth it to me to have to go through this. I certainly appreciate the existence of this place and all of the great information the good folks here have shared.

I guess I will now have to continue with my search for Airstream information and the eventual purchase from some other source. I do not have the time nor desire to screw around with a system that refuses to cooperate... sorry, it's just too frustrating to me and considered a waste of my time.

So, I wish you all the best.

Please delete my file, including all of my personal information,

Best regards,

Dan

loudruff 09-24-2009 01:42 PM

moderators
 
You should contact a moderator before giving up and see if they can get you past the issues. I am not experiencing any issues with the site. At the bottom of the screen the moderators screen names are in dark type. You can contact any of them for information and help.
Sorry that you are having so much trouble. IMHO, you will not find a more helpful place to get information about Airstreams and RV mechanicals.

TBRich 09-24-2009 11:03 PM

Gator...please don't go! If you are having trouble navigating, let one of the moderators help you get it figured out...there are some tricks to it and you'll get better with time... We all had to learn the system a bit!

Hang in there!

mshamilton 09-25-2009 09:22 AM

Dan, Hope you find what you are looking for. I just purchased my 1st and hopefuly my only AS. I searched all the listings and especially ebay. After months of searching, I was going to settle for a new one that was on the dealers lot for 2 years. The price was higher than I wanted to go, but there just did not seem to be anything out there a couple of years old and in good shape. Then it appeared. My 2005 Safari 25FB was listed on ebay and within 2 hours of my house. The auction was to end before we could see it and I didn't want to buy sight unseen. We worked out a deal and I now own my AS. Keep looking and don't just settle for something. Sooner or later the right one will come up. The dealer I was looking at was Bates RV in Tampa, they have all their AS available to look at on-line. By the way, we will be taking our first trip this weekend!

AIR-Quarius 10-01-2009 09:03 PM

Yeah, you will enjoy the fellowship of the Airstream groups...talk about family!


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