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starflyte1 07-17-2009 05:54 PM

Softest riding tow vehicle for 4500 lb AS?
 
We have an '05 8.1 Avalanche that tows our '07 25' FB AS. It is a beautiful set-up and is very comfortable. But,

My husband has hurt his back. We have been to several doctors and due to his injury and age, he is going to have to just live with his discomfort.

We just returned from a 3000 mile trip and he was truly miserable. The rough roads (interstates) tore him up.

Is there a family vehicle that is smooth riding and will pull 4500 lbs? We won't be taking any long trips, but would still like to travel to see relatives, if we can find the tow vehicle for us. Then we would get a smaller AS.

Thanks.

Pat

wkerfoot 07-17-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by starflyte1 (Post 723013)
We have an '05 8.1 Avalanche that tows our '07 25' FB AS. It is a beautiful set-up and is very comfortable. But,

My husband has hurt his back. We have been to several doctors and due to his injury and age, he is going to have to just live with his discomfort.

We just returned from a 3000 mile trip and he was truly miserable. The rough roads (interstates) tore him up.

Is there a family vehicle that is smooth riding and will pull 4500 lbs? We won't be taking any long trips, but would still like to travel to see relatives, if we can find the tow vehicle for us. Then we would get a smaller AS.

Thanks.

Pat

Pat,

Any 1970's full size sedan or some 1980's, Ford Crown Vic and some GM.

Bill

ncbambi 07-17-2009 06:06 PM

Been There Too!
 
Pat, I feel for your husband driving with a bad back, nothing is more aggrevating than watching a love one in pain. Both my husband and I have had serious back problems off and on, and thankfully not at the same time. It seemed at times the only alternative was surgery or something drastic. But then we took a more holistic approach, acupuncture, chiropractor, massage therapist, flat ice packs to lay on. Oh, and the dreaded exercises. Glad to report that the backs are in good shape now, and we watch how we use them.

I don't know if a new TV will give you any different ride than the Avalanche. I test drove one a few months ago, and it was definitely a truck suspension. We ended up with a Chrysler Aspen to tow our 23'. The suspension is definitely more "car" like than the Avalanche. Have you considered if there is anything that can be done the Avalanche suspension to make it a softer ride?

Hope you find the right solution, would hate to see you both grounded. And if you are looking for a new TV, this forum will surely give you the litany of suggestions I am sure!

Nancy

RedSHED 07-17-2009 06:23 PM

Chevy Traverse, 5200 lbs. The Buick Enclave is rated at around 4500 due to a smaller grill, IIRC. Longish wheelbases, independent suspensions, should be better than many things.

Chrysler's 300 undergoes a mysterious form of magic when it crosses the Atlantic and is rated there at 4450 lbs, IIRC.

Audi's Q7 looks promising, as it is nearly the same size as the Traverse/Enclave/Acadia (i.e. bigger than the VW Touareg) and available as an oil burner. There's a TDI version that parks in the lot at work. It looks very nice.

One of our list members uses or used a BMW X-5 for a 23' - ish Airstream. 6k pounds rating maybe?

Volvo's XC-90 is also in that range, and also seem very nice.

All of these have independent front and rear suspensions, and should all ride better than the truck based Avalanche.

For that matter, a recent Expedition might be a step up. I know the older ones weren't great, but the later generations had an independent rear suspension (yes, I do think that's important for comfort).

hampstead38 07-17-2009 06:35 PM

Chevys always seem to have the softest suspensions for trucks.

ROBERT CROSS 07-17-2009 06:36 PM

Try Burbing it..
 
:sad: If your Avalanche does not have the Ltz option it will not have the Autoride suspension. They do have a more "truck like" ride without it. The Surburban, which is on the same wheelbase, has a much smoother ride. Our 06 is head and sholders above our old 95 Burb.

If you like/need the room give a 3/4 Burb a test drive, it will have the Autoride, without auto leveling. The 1500 burb may also be a good choice for your needs, very comfortable. You should be able to talk a dealer into giving you a "weekend" roadtest. A very slow mover these days, I know we have several in stock. Try it, you may like it.:lol:

We LOVE ours....

AlbertF 07-17-2009 07:13 PM

The Buick Enclave comes to mind. There are certainly a number of possibilities. Another vehicle that hasn't been mentioned is the Mercedes-Benz ML320 with the diesel.

The newer SUVs and crossovers are attractive because they seem to tow well, and tend to have higher payload capacities than cars. This is helpful in my view because in my experience ride quality can deteriorate on rough roads as the vehicle is loaded closer to its GVWR. I tow with a car, and just came back from a 5,000 mile trip. Any concrete highway becomes nasty as it ages. Rough, and very noisy. Asphalt seems much more resilient, even when it starts breaking up, and in my view is the superior paving material.

RWK 07-17-2009 07:19 PM

Its not the truck or car that hurts a back, its the seats,seat ergonamics lacks in most US car manuf. until lately, I like my newer F150 seats, IMHO VW has best seats. Always Try some custom after market seats

RWK 07-17-2009 07:33 PM

oop's wasnt done yet, anyway always had a back ache after driving Dodge Caravan, got rid of it, my 04 F150 is far more comfortable on trips, our VW even better, you could possibly get different seats for your T.V. proper back support is what is needed not different riding vehicle, not as much difference in vehicle ride as there is in seat design, always thought Dodge and GM had worst seats.
RWK

overlander64 07-18-2009 02:21 AM

Softest riding tow vehicle for 4500 lb AS?
 
Have you considered the possibility of upgrading one or both front seats in your current Suburban to a premium air-suspension seat system? They aren't cheap, but would be less costly than trading both tow vehicle and trailer. What I am thinking of is something like the low profile series air suspension seats from National Truck Seats or AirChief Lowrider or Recaro Ergonomic Seats.

Good luck with your research!

Kevin

SARGE/AF 07-18-2009 07:52 AM

Travel-Back problems ????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starflyte1 (Post 723013)
We have an '05 8.1 Avalanche that tows our '07 25' FB AS. It is a beautiful set-up and is very comfortable. But, My husband has hurt his back. We have been to several doctors and due to his injury and age, he is going to have to just live with his discomfort.
We just returned from a 3000 mile trip and he was truly miserable. The rough roads (interstates) tore him up.
Is there a family vehicle that is smooth riding and will pull 4500 lbs? We won't be taking any long trips, but would still like to travel to see relatives, if we can find the tow vehicle for us. Then we would get a smaller AS.
Thanks. Pat

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Pat
I am a person who is currently disabled and has to live with a serious neck/ 2 separate back conditions and will have to live with it for the rest of my life including the fact that it worsens every year and there is nothing currently on the horizon for help due to the fact that mine involves the spinal column, disk, nerves, so I can identify with your problem.
If you are happy with your vehicle DO NOT CHANGE! it is the seats that you need to look at changing as Overlander64 indicated, and will be much much cheaper.
Now about the seat in detail, there are several things that need to taken into consideration because no 2 back conditions are the same on everyone even when they have the same problem it effects everyone different.
1st thing I would suggest to go to different dealers and look at all the different types of seats (and there are many) and look for one that is most comfortable this will give you a beginning,
NOTE; stick with bucket seats because these are the easiest, most options for modifications without effecting the passenger, and cost effective.
Look at outer edge lumbar supports both in the back of the seat and in the bottom, heat, back cushion air bag because it can be decreased/increased depending on condition. Might look at a racing type.
Now after you have done the above, you can look first at junk yards and such for a used bucket then take it to a vehicle upolstery shop and they can make the necessary changes to it. Another thing is to look at custom seat manufacturers and purchase new with all the options you need.
Then install to your vehicle.
1 more thing, you are going to have to make rest stops more often at least every 2 hours, and walk when you do.
By the way I have a 2005 Ford Excursion (same as a F250, but like a suburban) with bucket seats, heat, lumbar adjustments, leather. It rides as close to a car as possible for a truck as far as suspension, this vehicle gives me a better ride than my GMC. Both have the same type of seat except the GMC is cloth, The Ford seat is much more comfortable for my conditions.

Sarge

Denis4x4 07-18-2009 08:22 AM

Ditto on changing the seats. Instead of looking at Bostrom air ride seats, pick up some 4x4 magazines and check put seating ads. A Baja race seat can be installed in your Chevy with matching upholstery for a mere pittance compare to tricking out an '80's wagon to pull an AS. I went so far as to install race seats in a Jeep with 5 point harnesses and a "horse collar" neck restraint so that my wife could enjoy off roading in SW Colorado.

starflyte1 07-18-2009 08:42 AM

Thank you
 
Wow! I knew that I would get responses to my post, but this is wonderful. Changing out the seat is something to look into, and then into the different suggested vehicles. I will reread oll of the replies and start from there. THANKS again!

Pat

Gene 07-18-2009 08:52 AM

Yes, seats.

I injured my back 25 years ago and was told I was 20% disabled. Aggressive physical therapy plus exercising on my own have helped tremendously. Chronic pain is something I have gotten more or less used to, but I refuse to stop doing things—I spent 4 hours cutting up trees with a chain saw yesterday. So long as my wife picks up the wood, I do pretty well (a lot of bending is agony). I hope this can encourage you to hope for better days. It isn't easy and maybe you're not seeing the right doctors. Some of them are totally ignorant about back injuries. A chiropractor kept me going for quite a while, but it was physical therapy and exercise, and a lot of it, that made the difference. I know insurance companies don't want to pay for much therapy, but I was lucky and had therapy for a couple of years and it was paid for.

We had a 2002 Toyota Sequoia and it had the best seats I ever experienced. After driving thousands of miles, we were not nearly as tired and my back hurt a lot less. Now we tow with an '07 Tundra and the seats are barely adequate. We've added after market seat cushions to help. Now I wish I wasn't so cheap and got the leather seats because I think they would have been more comfortable. But our '06 4Runner has leather and they aren't comfortable either. So, you have to check out the seats carefully. SUV's generally have more plush seats for the butt, but good back support. Also, stop frequently (I'm about as bad at this as I am spending more money on better seats). My back stiffens when either a passenger or driver, so getting out and walking around is important. That my wife does a lot of the towing helps tremendously.

And, avoid speed bumps. No matter how slow I go over them, they hurt. It makes me want to run over the people who put those things on the roads.

So, Pat, there's a lot of good advice on this thread for your husband. Make him read it. There are plenty of possible solutions—custom made seats, aftermarket seats, an SUV, exercise, etc. Good luck and it's a good wife who is helping her husband with a serious health issue.

Gene

slowmover 07-18-2009 10:30 AM

In the meantime look into ROHO seat cushions, and the OREGON AERO seat cushion.

SARGE/AF 07-19-2009 11:21 AM

Living with back problems
 
Gene[/quote]
You know Gene you mention some things that I never even thought about when I posted. I also have a military injury from 25+ years ago that has progressed into 100% disability and doctors have been no real help but my Chiropractor has, I have to see him weekly get adjustments & therapy just to keep up with the conditions. I have had some doctors, specialists, etc that have said "give up get into a wheelchair or stay at home", and I refuse to give up. Even now I know that there are certain things that are going to cause me problems but I refuse to give up, even when something that I dont expect causes me additional pain I refuse to give up.
To the Original Poster:
I am going to continue living my life while I can, take my pain pills, see my chiro, take my therapy, dont give up, dont let it control your life, make the changes you need until you find the things that help as much as they can but stay with it.
My biggest help is my wife, she knows when I am in pain and when it increases and such and she is real good about taking as much pressure off me when needed, but she also keeps the encouragment to not give up too, and believe me she is not real shy about stopping me when she sees that I have went far enough and keep me from making my condition even worse too early.

Sarge

Gene 07-19-2009 12:50 PM

Sarge and I are remembering things that I suppose we take for granted after so many years living with back pain. Different people have different successes—for some it's a chiro, some a physical therapist, a doctor, exercise. Surgery is done far less than at one time, though professional athletes have it done because recovery is faster and there's lots of money to be made. But surgery can have dire consequences, so it's the last thing to do for most of us.

My wife has been wonderful and has often massaged the muscles that tighten around my blown out discs. She also tries to stop me when I decide I'm 20 years old and have a healthy back and should work more cutting up trees or whatever insane idea I have at the time. I don't always listen.

One of the problems people with back injuries have is that many others don't believe us. We look ok (to them—I can often spot someone with an injury by the way they stand and walk) and they think we are malingerers. Insurance companies refuse treatment, doctors treat us as if we are making it up. My father was a doctor and he'd tell me, even after I was injured, most back injuries were made up. I guess that was standard diagnosis for doctors trained in the 1930's and even later. That kind of lack of treatment and skepticism is hard on lots of people with real injuries and severe pain. Many do not receive treatment, or enough treatment.

Gene

SteveH 07-19-2009 03:17 PM

I'd add one more thing...if the ride is worse with the trailer, and it usually is, you might consider one of the Air Ride hitches to reduce the pitching and bumping in the tow vehicle when the trailer hits bumps.

SARGE/AF 07-20-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CrawfordGene (Post 723731)
Sarge and I are remembering things that I suppose we take for granted after so many years living with back pain. Different people have different successes—for some it's a chiro, some a physical therapist, a doctor, exercise. Surgery is done far less than at one time, though professional athletes have it done because recovery is faster and there's lots of money to be made. But surgery can have dire consequences, so it's the last thing to do for most of us.

My wife has been wonderful and has often massaged the muscles that tighten around my blown out discs. She also tries to stop me when I decide I'm 20 years old and have a healthy back and should work more cutting up trees or whatever insane idea I have at the time. I don't always listen.

One of the problems people with back injuries have is that many others don't believe us. We look ok (to them—I can often spot someone with an injury by the way they stand and walk) and they think we are malingerers. Insurance companies refuse treatment, doctors treat us as if we are making it up. My father was a doctor and he'd tell me, even after I was injured, most back injuries were made up. I guess that was standard diagnosis for doctors trained in the 1930's and even later. That kind of lack of treatment and skepticism is hard on lots of people with real injuries and severe pain. Many do not receive treatment, or enough treatment.

Gene

You hit it right on the head of the nail, did not realize how much alike you and I are. I wives do the exact same things too, they probly would get along great together then you and I would be in trouble LOL.

Sarge

Andrew T 07-20-2009 05:29 PM

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Hello Pat

We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to releive back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.

They ride very nicely both towing and solo yet they are extremely stable. Likely one of the best combinations of ride and handling out there. There is an optional performance package which is not absolutely necessary but if you get it performance will not be far off of your Avalanche fuel economy will be much better, almost as good towing as the Avalanche is solo.

I have used one myself quite a bit and you can drive it all day and step out feeling like you just went around the block. If you would like to persue that let me know and I can assist you with more detail.

This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

Andrew T

RedSHED 07-20-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 724294)
Hello Pat

We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to relieve back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.
...

This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

Andrew T

Awesome!

While I've said I could never own a Caddy, I may yet live to eat those words.

I spent a lot of late nights testing s/w on the '96 version of the car in that pic, and have had a soft spot for them ever since.

Gene 07-20-2009 06:15 PM

Sarge, I think Forums tend sometimes to show how different we are because they focus on one thing, and the more contentious threads certainly point out differences. But I have noticed that no matter what the politics of frequent posters (it's easy after a while to know that) we have much more in common. Most of us have the same issues with our trailers, travel similarly, or have common health or other issues. Backs are not political or ideological and it's nice to know others have the same problems.

Andrew, I never thought of a Cadillac for a TV for our '08 Safari. Of course, I need a pickup and my wife loves her 4Runner, so we'd have to have a 3rd vehicle. A Caddy would not be bad if it could tow a newer trailer through Colorado. It's too late now unless the stock market goes on a tear.

Gene

SARGE/AF 07-21-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew T (Post 724294)
Hello Pat

We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to releive back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.

They ride very nicely both towing and solo yet they are extremely stable. Likely one of the best combinations of ride and handling out there. There is an optional performance package which is not absolutely necessary but if you get it performance will not be far off of your Avalanche fuel economy will be much better, almost as good towing as the Avalanche is solo.

I have used one myself quite a bit and you can drive it all day and step out feeling like you just went around the block. If you would like to persue that let me know and I can assist you with more detail.

This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

Andrew T

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Andrew what you say about cars is for the most part true, something else to consider is those of us with serious back problems only make it worse when getting in and out the car because it sits so low to the ground. My wife has a Bonneville (last year they made them) and it sits the same height as the caddie and after getting in and out of it a couple of times I am done for and can hardly move, Now I am a little taller (6'7") than the average person so that adds to it because I have so far to go to get down into and out of the car.
Funny thing is though the same seats you can get for a car you can get for a truck/SUV.

Sarge

SARGE/AF 07-21-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CrawfordGene (Post 724317)
Sarge, I think Forums tend sometimes to show how different we are because they focus on one thing, and the more contentious threads certainly point out differences. But I have noticed that no matter what the politics of frequent posters (it's easy after a while to know that) we have much more in common. Most of us have the same issues with our trailers, travel similarly, or have common health or other issues. Backs are not political or ideological and it's nice to know others have the same problems.
Gene

So True,,

Sarge

Gene 07-21-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SARGE/AF (Post 724594)
Andrew what you say about cars is for the most part true, something else to consider is those of us with serious back problems only make it worse when getting in and out the car because it sits so low to the ground.
Funny thing is though the same seats you can get for a car you can get for a truck/SUV.

Sarge

Yeh, I have trouble getting in and out of cars too. When I get the lust for a sports car, I have to remind myself how it would feel getting out of it after I poured myself in. I was temporarily semi-seduced by a luxury car aura. I don't know about the seats being the same, at least for Toyotas. The 2002 Sequoia seats were very plush feeling, the 2006 4Runner seats very firm—both are SUV's and both were the Limited series, but the seats are entirely different. This just means to check it out throughly.

Gene

Lothlorian 07-21-2009 02:47 PM

Pat:

I can't give you advice about a vehicle, but maybe I am able to help with his back. I am not a doctor but I was involved with swimming for over 30 years. Over the years no matter what pool I worked for we always had many adults of all ages and sizes coming to swim. My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool. The last person I watched cured himself from swimming at the time of my getting out of the competetive sport. He was in his late 50's and he wrecked his Harley Davidson. He was really messed up. Shoulder, legs, back and neck. As soon as he could get in the water he did. It took him six months but the results were great. He said it was the swimming that helped him.

Have him try water aerobics first then work slowly into laps.

Ask your husband to give it a try.



Lothlorian

purman 07-21-2009 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothlorian (Post 724731)
Pat:

I can't give you advice about a vehicle, but maybe I am able to help with his back. I am not a doctor but I was involved with swimming for over 30 years. Over the years no matter what pool I worked for we always had many adults of all ages and sizes coming to swim. My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool. The last person I watched cured himself from swimming at the time of my getting out of the competetive sport. He was in his late 50's and he wrecked his Harley Davidson. He was really messed up. Shoulder, legs, back and neck. As soon as he could get in the water he did. It took him six months but the results were great. He said it was the swimming that helped him.

Have him try water aerobics first then work slowly into laps.

Ask your husband to give it a try.



Lothlorian


My wife is a doctor and loves swimming.... and encourages it....

We just bought an Endless pool. A used one... moves the water at you so you can swim in one place in the pool.. They come in different sizes. ours is 7x14 they go as big as 12x30...

Road Ruler 07-21-2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothlorian (Post 724731)
Pat:

My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool.


Lothlorian

It is so true. I have had back pain issues all my life especially in the last ten years while involved with mountain bike racing. As a cross training sport I took up doing laps twice a week. The back pain is all but gone. It really is a great exercise.

Cadillac DTS (post #20) : I owned a Caddy Seville back in the 70's. It was comfortable but no way was it a drivers car. The 450SEL Mercedes that replaced it surely was and more my style. Anyway, my BIL and his wife each have a DTS and I had a chance to drive one of them. It was nice in every way. Impressive handling, comfort, performance. They have it all.

slowmover 07-21-2009 06:10 PM

(My wife uses the strap-hanger to get up and into the diesel Ram. With my back -- and height -- I used same to maneuver BOTH into and out of her low-slung Lexus).

Ironies abound.

Guess we'll all have to go back to the 1976 Cadillac my Dad used to tow for over 12-years and 190,000 miles (8,000-lb GVWR Silver Streak). No lack for room, exit or egress.

RedSHED 07-21-2009 06:27 PM

I keep trying to imagine how you'd mount a swim tank in the cab of the tow vehicle...

mutcth 07-21-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Road Ruler (Post 724770)
Anyway, my BIL and his wife each have a DTS and I had a chance to drive one of them. It was nice in every way. Impressive handling, comfort, performance. They have it all.

Just want to third this - I've spent a lot of time in recent Cadillac DTSs. The interior materials and fit and finish might not rival the Lexus LS, but the quiet and ride sure does. A Buick Lucerne CXS/Super (the one with the Northstar and the Magnaride suspension) is really close too (same platform) and will likely cost a bit less. Like Andy T. said, these are deals on the used market.

Got to say though, the Avalanche has one of the best rides of any truck. Then again, I've driven 1/2-ton Avalanches without the Z71 off-road package, which is probably the best combo (even without Autoride.)

One more thing - someone earlier mentioned a BMW X5. The first-generation ones ride decently, the newer versions have a choppy ride.

Tom

Andrew T 07-21-2009 07:50 PM

Hi Tom

I agree about the 1/2 ton avalanch having a smooth ride but Pat's is a 3/4 since it has the 8.1 Litre. Even on the 1/2 ton I find the live axle tends to send a thump through the chassis when towing. I don't find I experience that on vehicles with less unsprung weight.

I like the specs on the Lucern as well but I have not towed with one as yet.

Thanks

Andrew T

Gene 07-21-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSHED (Post 724828)
I keep trying to imagine how you'd mount a swim tank in the cab of the tow vehicle...

You put it in the bed, silly.

Gene

SARGE/AF 07-22-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothlorian (Post 724731)
Pat:

I can't give you advice about a vehicle, but maybe I am able to help with his back. I am not a doctor but I was involved with swimming for over 30 years. Over the years no matter what pool I worked for we always had many adults of all ages and sizes coming to swim. My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool. The last person I watched cured himself from swimming at the time of my getting out of the competetive sport. He was in his late 50's and he wrecked his Harley Davidson. He was really messed up. Shoulder, legs, back and neck. As soon as he could get in the water he did. It took him six months but the results were great. He said it was the swimming that helped him.
Have him try water aerobics first then work slowly into laps.
Ask your husband to give it a try.
Lothlorian

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If swimming causes more pain then at least just set in the water, once in the water there is Zero gravity on the spine and thus takes the pressure off and allows healing as well as time for the muscles to relax better.

I know with my conditions the movement of swimming actually irritates the nerves that are pinched, but just sitting in the pool or the jacoozy does help to relax the muscles. Evertime we are near a pool my wife stays on me until I give in and join her, most of the time I do feel better.

Sarge

huffyshox 07-23-2009 01:22 PM

What is the rated towing capacity for the DTS?

Andrew T 07-24-2009 02:37 AM

It is 1000 or 2000 pounds which just tells you they don't want to bother with it. They don't perceive that a tow rating will help the sales of DTS's so they don't give it one. However you can add a couple of thousand pounds to it and stretch it into a limo.

It does perform and handle very nicely, the northstar engine has lots of power and because it does not take a lot of power to push the car along there is lots left over to pull the Airstream.

Andrew T

Road Ruler 07-24-2009 05:48 AM

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However you can add a couple of thousand pounds to it and stretch it into a limo.

Andrew T

That is the truth! We see it all the time here in Niagara where stretched vehicles of all sorts are cruising down the QEW to the Casino.

This one has at least 2 to 3,000lbs of added structure weight and that is before they pile in the multitude of passengers and luggage.

bizcamp 07-24-2009 07:44 AM

I have a 2005 Ridgeline and it is all truck in power but has the most comfortable suspension and seats I have ever sat in. I agree that seats are most important but the suspension is as important. The Honda is 110% for a TV and has no compromises in the comfort area. It looks like a truck, acts like a truck but is as comfortable as a Cadillac Sedan.
Smooth Move,
Bizcamp

Ahab 07-24-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bizcamp (Post 725954)
I have a 2005 Ridgeline and it is all truck in power but has the most comfortable suspension and seats I have ever sat in. I agree that seats are most important but the suspension is as important. The Honda is 110% for a TV and has no compromises in the comfort area. It looks like a truck, acts like a truck but is as comfortable as a Cadillac Sedan.
Smooth Move,
Bizcamp

This is true, I have one too!:D

Andrew T 07-24-2009 05:51 PM

The same things that work well on the Cadillac work on the Ridgeline the independent rear suspension and a rigid body structure. The caddie does have a lot more power and considerably better fuel economy. The Ridgeline has 4wd.

Andy

biggoofball 07-24-2009 05:59 PM

I can make you a deal on this package:

https://www.airforums.com/attachments...859fbc531e.jpg

Rides like a dream. Car will tow 6000lbs the way it's set up right now. Has only 78k miles. LT-1 engine 290HP 320torq. tow package.

benjisgal51 07-28-2009 06:53 PM

I'm looking at buying a 23 or 25' Flying Cloud FB. I have a 2008 Chevy Avalanche LTZ. Is this tow vehicle sufficient for this type A/S.

c177tx 07-28-2009 07:31 PM

I suffered a L4-L5, L5-S1 injury and at times walk like a question mark. I find that Lumbar support is very important and heated seats help a lot. My TV is a Jeep Commander Sport, it is rated at 6500lbs. It does not have the heated seats but the lumbar is adjustable. I just finished a trip from central Texas to Silverton Colorado and back in a week. Longest day was 700 miles driving and no back problems..

Road Ruler 07-28-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c177tx (Post 727928)
I suffered a L4-L5, L5-S1 injury and at times walk like a question mark. I find that Lumbar support is very important and heated seats help a lot. My TV is a Jeep Commander Sport, it is rated at 6500lbs. Longest day was 700 miles driving and no back problems..

I confess to never having the opportunity to drive a Jeep, of any kind.

I have this preconceived idea though that they have a rough bouncy ride. It looks like some of the newer models are more refined with a pleasant ride. Hope I get a chance of driving one some day.

SteveH 07-28-2009 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benjisgal51 (Post 727919)
I'm looking at buying a 23 or 25' Flying Cloud FB. I have a 2008 Chevy Avalanche LTZ. Is this tow vehicle sufficient for this type A/S.

Welcome to the forum, Roslyn. Your Avalanche should be capable of towing either trailer if it is equipped with the towing package. If it is not, I would suggest the 25' is too much.

The towing package includes a lower rear end gear ratio, transmission cooler, wiring for the trailer and brake controller, and usually a heavy duty suspension.

I currently tow an '01 25' with an '07 GMC 1/2 ton pickup, and I wouldn't want to tow anything bigger with it.

poems&songs 07-29-2009 04:05 PM

Only four teenagers, two corsages, and a bottle of champagne. Should work.


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