No, you have that right... Missing the Boseman International (due to being called up for Active Military duty) was the excuse given for the VAC board violating the by-laws and "inserting" a new 1st V.P. ahead of Rob Baker.

Rob hauled his three young boys and his pregnant wife half way across the country to be at this International... but I guess that was not enough.

Lynn,

I realize it would not be a simple task, but certainly much easier and much cheaper than renting a multi-million dollar convention center and feeding 400 volunteers for several weeks.

But don't you see this as symptomatic of the dialog here? The IBT spends far too much money on meetings, and the only alternative is a virtual meeting?
:blush:
Lynn

Airstream could design a virtual AirStream to go along with the virtual WBCCI. WBCCI could develop a roll playing game to add fun. As you progressed up the political ladder and made friends you could chose your parking spots, grass or non grass, type of flags your are allowed to fly, and the proper dress for meetings. As you gained power you would be allowed to file grievances against those who you don’t like and have manipulation power. Of course the game would be overpriced, not deliver what is promised, have a no warranty, be full of defects and have the plastic peeling off of the package. Coming to a Game Stop near you.

What is so sad is that I am a former member, and just never got much benefit for my membership. I didn't meet anyone mean, I didn't have any fights I didn't get parked on the pavement, I joined with a open mind and had high hopes it just did not work out for me, maybe others will have better luck.

BTW I see you are confused, this is not the WBCCI site this is Airfourms everyone posting here is a member.

Just curious is it a hobby of yours to twist what people say out of context or does that make you feel smarter?

Please explain yourself. Did I post something you didn't like?

Sorry doubled posted.

No, it was meant for me, and I took no wrong turns. You can sales puff the WBCCI all you want but I will post my experience as I see fit. Yes you are correct about the Louisiana unit, I just stated it had no benefit for me.

OK, I will go with that.

:jerry:

this is why....
 

we dont join any clubs...we live in central florida...

and we just go camping on the weekends....no dues...no votes...no clothing requirements...just camping to get away from our everyday work lives..

this sounds like an HOA for airstream owners....what a loss.....

Ask Larson to reconsider? Why ask?

I'd say the entire WBCCI membership should DEMAND that the apology is made as originally DIRECTED by the committee.

What don't they understand about what should be a SIMPLE ruling?

What does this current leadership hope to gain by operating in the dark and not following SIMPLE directives? Maybe they don't want to publicly ADMIT they were in error to begin with when they suspended Bob and Harriet Thompson? Maybe they want to set precedent that they don't have to follow any ruling by any committee? Maybe they can look back and say, "Well, in Thompson's case we decided to more or less ignore the grievance committee and no one said a word so let's continue to do that into the future. After all, now we have *precedent* set." Maybe? Let's hope not, but ... you never know what lurks in other peoples deep-rooted thinking and their reasons why they act like they do.

Could it be that the leaders are trying to do whatever they please as long as they are themselves satisified they've done their best as far as they are concerned? I don't know if our club can afford to wait out all those in line that currently hold power over the masses. How long can clubs run a deficit budget before all the money in the bank is gone? Let's hope not ... but you never know now do you.

Operating in the sunshine so everyone can see and UNDERSTAND they why's and what-for's without question really IS a good policy for everyone don't you think?

Tom M

For Pete's sake give it a rest.
 

Uh, Tom. . .

A few points. . .

1. This issue is DARN NEAR A YEAR OLD and ancient history by now. How about letting sleeping dogs lie?
2. Jerry Larson isn't president of the WBCCI any more. Perhaps you heard the WBCCI just had an International Rally and installed new officers. (The International also gave people who are inclined to bitch a whole new set of issues to bitch about.)
3. And finally, the Hearing Board had the authority to uphold or reverse Bob Thompson's suspension, but aside from that, NO AUTHORITY TO ORDER ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING.

To briefly review these year-old issues, a WBCCI past president filed grievances against Bob Thompson, Region 1 President and Leo G arvey, Metro NY Unit President, for what most perceived to be political reasons.

The Ethics and Grievance committee suspended Bob Thompson and this set off a firestorm of protests from the membership. Realizing the disciplinary action was a mistake, then-WBCCI president Jerry Larson, in what I think was a statesmanlike move, appointed a Hearing Board of three trustees who could be expected to overturn the suspension, which they did.

Section 4 of the Bylaws gives the Hearing Board this power, and no other. I think it was nice of the Hearing Board to include an apology in their written opinion, but they had no authority to order it be published or anything else.

Chastened by the Bob Thompson outcome, the Ethics and Grievance committee wisely decided to dismiss the grievance against Leo G arvey, and at that point the case was closed.

So this whole Bob Thompson--No Apology thread has never had any legal or factual basis, and it's time to lay it to rest.

Leo,

Well, let’s look at what the rules actually say. Section 4 of the bylaws, defining the appeals process, is quoted below.

This clearly says that the Hearing Board (it’s Hearing Board, not Appeals Committee, by the way) . . . “can affirm, overturn, or modify any judgment previously taken on the complaint”.

I don’t see anywhere it says “at that point it is the Appeals Committee that is in control”, do you?

Nor do I see anyplace where it says that the Hearing Board can order anything published by anybody. Do you?

Now I must admit, I’m not a lawyer—or more to the point, a judge—with ability to read “emanations and penumbras” into laws to make them mean whatever they want them to mean. Maybe you have that ability?

Leo, do you think a few thousand emails and phone calls raising hell about Bob Thompson’s suspension, might, just might have made the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the EC7 a bit more cautious in dealing with the grievance against you? I kinda think so.

Granted, the fact that your written filing came on the letterhead of some ogre law firm ready and willing to rip out WBCCI’s living guts undoubtedly had a good bit to do with it. Fortunately, your lawyers are already up to speed on WBCCI so they’re undoubtedly ready to roll the Panzers on a moment’s notice against this year’s grievance. I’ll keep an eye out for a column of tanks heading across I-70 for Jackson Center.

Frankly, I’m getting mighty tired of endlessly hearing about this and every other bit of WBCCI petty politics. I haven’t decided yet whether to delete my bookmark for Airforums, let my WBCCI membership lapse, or both.

Tom,

Sorry about my testy response to your post last night. I hadn't noticed you were a newbie to Airstream Forums. Welcome to the forums and hope you get a more welcoming response to subsequent posts.

Nuvi :blush:

shouldn't the club just be about having fun?

Can't we all just camp? Can't we all just get along? There is probably a rule against that...

It would seem to me that everyone's position and opinion have been stated and restated, ad nauseum. The continuation of this fray is inexplicable, in my opinion, other than in the context of people simply liking to fight. :(

It seems to have the fascination of watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Gene

It was very nice of Nuvite to apologize. As for the above statement, there is no statute of limitations on an apology. If a person has been wronged, they are owed an apology. Period. This is a moral obligation which is not obviated by time, distance, bureaucractic rules or organizational blame shifting.

I have no interest in the inner workings of the WBCCI. I don't know if Bob Thompson feels owed an apology. Here's the thing... until he gets one, there's a possibility people will keep talking. And while this might seem to serve no purpose, it does. Societies and culture enforce moral norms in two ways: admiration and shame. We generally embrace people who "do good." We generally shun people who "do bad." I understand this will provoke people who think we wrongly celebrate celebrity, etc., but consider this. What generally is the most common reaction to hitting a child in public? To telling a racist or sexist or homophobic joke? To leering or whistling at a woman? Actions that were socially acceptable 50 years ago are not socially acceptable now. It's not that we passed a law... mores changed and were enforced through admiration and/or shame.

Talking about someone (or an organization) that hasn't apologized is a form of social sanction. Reputation suffers. While admittedly an imperfect process, this is what makes civil society "civil." And if people "go on" to the point where the reaction to a perceived slight seems overwrought, well, then society sanctions those people for "not getting over it."

So it goes.