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kc7hfa 06-07-2006 12:22 PM

1949 ??? What is it?
 
I have a 1949 AS SN:4003 (Main Street, LA, Ca) That I purchased aprox 13 years ago. Now I am trying to determine the model that I have. The body measures approx 20' with a overall length of approx 23' 6", and the ceiling height is 6'1". It looks like the tongue may have been extended at some point in it's life. It has a toilet and shower, with the necessary holding tanks. The front and rear windows are solid and curved and it has three sets of windows on each side of the unit, with two adjustable panes per window. The three vents on top have an adjustment for height on the front and back of each vent. It also has a propane stove and heater. Can anyone give me any idea's on it's model and/or possible value?:confused:

Thanks,
Ron

InsideOut 06-07-2006 12:37 PM

Can you post any pictures? It may help ID it.

There are also some e folks here that are very good with the "what is it mystery" so hang in there, someone will be able to help you.

In the meantime, have you looked at the Vintage Archives and the Price vs Condition guide, they may also help ID it and give you an idea of value.

Shari :flowers:

wkerfoot 06-07-2006 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc7hfa
I have a 1949 AS SN:4003 (Main Street, LA, Ca) That I purchased aprox 13 years ago. Now I am trying to determine the model that I have. The body measures approx 20' with a overall length of approx 23' 6", and the ceiling height is 6'1". It looks like the tongue may have been extended at some point in it's life. It has a toilet and shower, with the necessary holding tanks. The front and rear windows are solid and curved and it has three sets of windows on each side of the unit, with two adjustable panes per window. The three vents on top have an adjustment for height on the front and back of each vent. It also has a propane stove and heater. Can anyone give me any idea's on it's model and/or possible value?:confused:

Thanks,
Ron

Ron,

Does it look like the trailers on this site: http://www.vintageairstream.com/arch...ner/index.html

RJ also has information on values. Pictures would help in guessing value, but is probably depends on finding the right person to purchase it.

Bill

InsideOut 06-07-2006 12:38 PM

Jinx! :lol:

wkerfoot 06-07-2006 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideOut
Jinx! :lol:

Same to you, mine posted first.

Bill

InsideOut 06-07-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkerfoot
Same to you, mine posted first.

Bill

mine shows as post #2

Shari :flowers:

kc7hfa 06-07-2006 01:19 PM

I've loooked at the pictures you mentioned and it is somewhat the same. But, the serial number is totally out of sequence. It has the same type of serial # plate but no additional numbers or letters on the plate just the 4003. In looking through old ads (on the net) it appears to be a "Globetrotter", but I can't find anything on the net to look at for comparison. It does look a lot like a liner based on the outward appearance, but the floor plans are totally different. Mine has a bathroom/shower in the rear with a double bed on the left side in the back (Water storage tank under it) and dinette in the front, with the stove and sink on the left and refer and heater on either side of the door.

MarkR 06-07-2006 01:24 PM

that number is strange . . . did someone already say pictures would be helpful?

kc7hfa 06-07-2006 01:42 PM

Yes they did... I will have them later on today or tomorrow...

Jim & Susan 06-07-2006 02:13 PM

Can't wait to see this one. A '40's model is supposed to very rare.

Jim

wkerfoot 06-07-2006 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideOut
mine shows as post #2

Shari :flowers:

Shari,

Interesting, when I look, mine is post #2. Perhaps the software shows the authors posts first if there is a tie. I wonder which post shows as #2 for other than you and I.

Bill

GreatPumpkin 06-07-2006 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkerfoot
Shari,

Interesting, when I look, mine is post #2. Perhaps the software shows the authors posts first if there is a tie. I wonder which post shows as #2 for other than you and I.

Bill

Sorry - Shari's got post #2 when I view it.
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Can you post any pictures? It may help ID it.

There are also some e folks here that are very good with the "what is it mystery" so hang in there, someone will be able to help you.

In the meantime, have you looked at the Vintage Archives and the Price vs Condition guide, they may also help ID it and give you an idea of value.

Shari :flowers:
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henrydahm 06-07-2006 02:35 PM

Who's on First?!?
 
nice thread - I'm sooo close to driving away with a 1961 24' tradewind and I know nothing - well I've been now addicted to reading all I can about airstream & towing for the last two weeks - I need lots of input and advice and It looks like I've come to the right place.

Henry

Jim & Susan 06-07-2006 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideOut
Can you post any pictures? It may help ID it.

There are also some e folks here that are very good with the "what is it mystery" so hang in there, someone will be able to help you.

In the meantime, have you looked at the Vintage Archives and the Price vs Condition guide, they may also help ID it and give you an idea of value.

Shari :flowers:

If it helps, this is the one I saw first....(above by InsideOut)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkerfoot
Ron,

Does it look like the trailers on this site: http://www.vintageairstream.com/arch...ner/index.html

RJ also has information on values. Pictures would help in guessing value, but is probably depends on finding the right person to purchase it.

Bill

Then this one by wkerfoot

Jim

InsideOut 06-07-2006 03:52 PM

Gotta love it!
 
Oh Boy! We must all be super bored at work today...huh?! :clap:

Shari :flowers:

Jim & Susan 06-07-2006 03:55 PM

Yea, but I haven't heard anybody "jinx" anybody in years. Gave me a really nice laugh! Back to your regularly scheduled thread, now.

Jim

InsideOut 06-07-2006 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim & Susan
Yea, but I haven't heard anybody "jinx" anybody in years. Gave me a really nice laugh! Back to your regularly scheduled thread, now.

Jim

Guess that shows my age, huh!?

Shari :flowers:

Jim & Susan 06-07-2006 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideOut
Guess that shows my age, huh!?

Shari :flowers:

And mine, too!

Jim

yukionna 06-08-2006 08:46 AM

Jinx
 
Well, all I can say is I have my "mojo hand" on for protection while reading this thread! ;)

Definitions of jinx on the Web:
  • The bearer of bad luck. A mojo hand would be worn for protection from a jinx.
    blues.about.com/cs/bluesinschools/a/blbluesgloss_2.htm

  • hex: cast a spell over someone or something; put a hex on someone or something
  • jonah: a person believed to bring bad luck to those around him
  • hex: an evil spell; "a witch put a curse on his whole family"; "he put the whammy on me"
  • foredoom to failure; "This project is jinxed!"
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

  • A jinx, in popular superstition and folklore, is:* A sort of curse placed on a person that makes them prey to large numbers of minor misfortunes and other forms of bad luck; * A person afflicted with a similar curse, who, while not directly subject to a series of misfortunes, seems to attract them to anyone in his general area.*An object or animal that brings bad luck.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx

  • Jinx is the major label debut of the Icelandic rap/rock band Quarashi.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_(album)

  • Jinx is a supervillain appearing in the DC Comics universe. She is an intiated member of the Fearsome Five (although she was not one of the original group). She first appeared in Tales of the Teen Titans #56.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_(comics)

  • Jinx was a minor recurring character on the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer during season 5. He was a demon and worshipped Glory, whom he served as a minion.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_(Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer)

InsideOut 06-08-2006 09:34 AM

Geeze, and I thought it was just a simple childhood game!

"Jinx, you owe me a coke!" when you both said something at the same time. I guess it probably evolved from if you give me a gift, then I'll lift the hex from you. yikes!~ I won't be using that anymore!

Shari :flowers:

kc7hfa 06-08-2006 11:14 AM

1949 ? GlobeTrotter ?
 
Here are the pictures you asked for....
https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3204.jpg
Notice the water filler tube on the side and the black water drain in the back.

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3205.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3206.jpg Notice the extended tongue.

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3207.jpg
You can see the extended tongue here too

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3208.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3211.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3212.jpg
The dinnete area in front

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3214.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3215.jpg
Updated Refer

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3217.jpg
https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3218.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3219.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3220.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3221.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3222.jpg
Wall with Door into Bathroom

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3223.jpg
This speaks for itself

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3224.jpg
Updated Shower...

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3225.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3226.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3227.jpg
From The Back Looking Forward - Bed on left with Water storage under the bed

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3228.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3229.jpg
The water storage is under the bed on the right as you look at it from here

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3231.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3232.jpg
The step appears to be the worst of the damage on the trailer..

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3233.jpg
You can see the long tongue here too approx 3' long

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3235.jpg
Here is the water Storage Tank under the bed.

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3237.jpg
Here is the "Unbrella Vent"

https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/AS_3238.jpg
Here is the Serial number Plate (SN# 4003)

I hope this helps to define what the model and condition of the trailer is....
I would appreciate any input that can be given! :confused:

Thanks,
Ron


Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideOut
Can you post any pictures? It may help ID it.

There are also some e folks here that are very good with the "what is it mystery" so hang in there, someone will be able to help you.

In the meantime, have you looked at the Vintage Archives and the Price vs Condition guide, they may also help ID it and give you an idea of value.

Shari :flowers:


millionairstream 06-08-2006 11:23 AM

22' Liner-
 
Would be my guess...

There was some kind of Custom or Limited built around those years as well- but at that length I'd say its close enough to be the Liner...

millionairstream 06-08-2006 11:37 AM

Pipe frame-
 
Yours has been altered- I should say improved- the straight looking L or U channel was added after someone either broke the pipes main tube, or saw someone else break theirs. Pipe frames are not really sturdy- I have a '49 Whirlwind and swore if I ever decide to get into it, I'm going to either eliminate the frame and fab a custom aluminum one, or at least swage the tube- thats where you'd find or mill a strong piece of tubing to securely and tightly slide into the existing tube, and weld it in place in tabbed areas- gives it the strength it needs to travel at todays speeds.

Ya have to remember, when that trailer was sold, you'd be maxed out with your '48 Plymouth at about 35 or 40 MPH- my F350 PSD at 70 will destroy the thing in less than 100 miles.

I've seen a photo of a pipe frame Airstream that actually broke in half on the down side of a bridge in Oakland- the trailer literally had the body ripped in 2- one half dragged behind the truck, and the other was luckily just sliding a short distance and stopped itself on the shoulder- rear axle intact.

I think you have a great trailer there- that green paint is on all the old ones I've seen- it was standard before Zolatone. Check the floor under the vents for rot, and that step is an easy fix- you're lucky, I believe you have a nice project that can be a great trailer with little work. Enjoy it, but watch that frame- look under it and see what it looks and feels like.

kc7hfa 06-08-2006 02:39 PM

My question would be why would the serial number be so far out of sequence for the Liners of that era? Everything I've read indicates it should be in 1000 -1400 or so series... In reading the ads on the Globetrotter in 1949 I was wondering if it is a Globetrotter considering the "Extra's" for that era.

https://www.airstream.net/members/doc...ds/49JanTT.pdf
https://www.airstream.net/members/doc...ds/49MidTT.pdf

Please take a look and see if I'm way off base...

Thanks,
Ron

Quote:

Originally Posted by millionairstream
Would be my guess...

There was some kind of Custom or Limited built around those years as well- but at that length I'd say its close enough to be the Liner...


wkerfoot 06-08-2006 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc7hfa
My question would be why would the serial number be so far out of sequence for the Liners of that era? Everything I've read indicates it should be in 1000 -1400 or so series... In reading the ads on the Globetrotter in 1949 I was wondering if it is a Globetrotter considering the "Extra's" for that era.

https://www.airstream.net/members/doc...ds/49JanTT.pdf
https://www.airstream.net/members/doc...ds/49MidTT.pdf

Please take a look and see if I'm way off base...

Thanks,
Ron

Ron,

One thing you might consider is joining the WBCCI (Airstream Club) and attending the International Rally from June 28 to July 4 in Salem. If you brought this trailer you will receive answers to many of your questions.

Bill

47WeeWind 06-08-2006 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc7hfa
My question would be why would the serial number be so far out of sequence for the Liners of that era? Everything I've read indicates it should be in 1000 -1400 or so series... In reading the ads on the Globetrotter in 1949 I was wondering if it is a Globetrotter considering the "Extra's" for that era. Thanks, Ron

Hi Ron:

I'm wondering the same thing too, as I don't recall seeing any late 1940's Airstreams with a serial number in the 40XX range. I have some feelers out on that question, and if I learn anything worthwhile I'll post it.

Other than the unusual s/n, your trailer looks like a +- 1949 22' Liner that has been modified with a toilet and shower added to the rear, a newer fridge as you noticed, a later Panelray heater (as indicated by the large controller housing at the bottom), a water tank, etc. The 1949 catalog Globe Trotter floor plan shows a side closet location, not full width across the rear, for the factory toilet and shower. The pipe frame tongue reinforcement is, of course, also added later. It's hard to tell from the photos when these features may have installed in or added to the trailer. It certainly raises more questions than provides answers. Finally, welcome aboard!

millionairstream 06-08-2006 11:08 PM

Theories-
 
I originally started thinking that possibly someone changed the VIN plate- but the address is from a 1940's Main St built trailer- thats definite.

I can't see the 4 clear enough, but maybe someone had stolen the trailer at some point in its long life, and changed the 1 to a 4- is it possible that you can see and compare identical stampings close up- lets say at a rally?

The 4 looks to be stamped deeper, and its not really the same as the other stamps. I know that from a 1, to alter it the only choice to match up is a 4- draw them on a piece of paper- you can't make it a 3 or a 6. You can make a 3 an 8. I had someone stealing money from my bank account, and it was an employee who would alter 1's to 4's and 3's to 8's to increase his pay to feed his drug habit...

If thats the possible case- you have the 3rd produced Airstream Liner ever made- not bad. Your custom tongue is a lot longer too- so measuring it is another way to confuse identity. Either way, I think you have a great trailer that will restore easily- and you have a clear title to it and own it with the number thats stamped on the ID plate.

Restore it and enjoy it

kc7hfa 06-09-2006 09:43 PM

Here are some better pictures of the Serial number. I took this picture then inverted the colors for another look. Interesting zero in the second position... Almost looks like it was a double stamp, but the bottom of the zero remains the same, maybe a small "o" then the "0". But the four looks like a single stamp..... Any ideas?

Thanks,
Ron
https://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/as_4003.jpghttps://biblechapelonline.org/pictures/as_4003_inv.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by 47WeeWind
Hi Ron:

I'm wondering the same thing too, as I don't recall seeing any late 1940's Airstreams with a serial number in the 40XX range. I have some feelers out on that question, and if I learn anything worthwhile I'll post it.

Other than the unusual s/n, your trailer looks like a +- 1949 22' Liner that has been modified with a toilet and shower added to the rear, a newer fridge as you noticed, a later Panelray heater (as indicated by the large controller housing at the bottom), a water tank, etc. The 1949 catalog Globe Trotter floor plan shows a side closet location, not full width across the rear, for the factory toilet and shower. The pipe frame tongue reinforcement is, of course, also added later. It's hard to tell from the photos when these features may have installed in or added to the trailer. It certainly raises more questions than provides answers. Finally, welcome aboard!



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