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wheel interested 06-06-2006 09:56 PM

2007 Safari 27' FB
 
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I found pictures of the 27' FB.
https://www.toscanorv.com/moredetails...code=toscanorv##

Center bed, longer dinette, round galley end with lobster sink, wooden pantry, change in the bathroom under sink cabinetry doors.

Brow324 11-07-2006 09:50 AM

We just bought a 27 FB ...taking delivery this weekend.

Minnie's Mate 11-07-2006 10:01 AM

My only issues with this, and the 25' FB are lack of storage and you can't see the T.V. from the sofa.

Foiled Again 11-07-2006 10:05 AM

I THOUGHT the 25 FB SE was perfect!
 
LOVE the 27 - hope you really enjoy it too. The "lobster bowl" sink is big enough to get a large pan or platter in - something you cannot do with the two smaller sinks. Just get a drain rack to put next to it.

The wardrobe on the 25 is smallish... Looks like the 27 has a BIG one, and a more generous pantry.

Congrats on your new one.

Paula

Brow324 11-07-2006 10:18 AM

Thanks for the good thoughts. We'd been looking since last Nov...glad we waited a year to make the purchase. We almost went with the 25 FB last fall but the extra couple of feet in the 27 make a nice difference. The wardrobe is much wider in the 27. The bathroom also has a bit more room. It's just two of us and our black lab so the 27will be perfect for us. As for storage, we're coming out of a 10 yr old Chateau with one small storage/cargo box on the outside so I have no complaints on the 27FB. My awning lights, extension cord, "shore" power cord, and related electrical stuff will go in the front exterior access storage area behind the tanks, which is also accessable from under the bed, and my outside plumbing supplies will go in the rear bumper storage area, a nice feature in that it doesn't share common space with the interior cabin, which most other trailers do. This 27FB is an 07 of course and from doing our homework and shopping all the AS dealers within a 100 mile radius from us we managed to transact a very nice deal as well. Our travels take us from DFW to Pinehurst NC regularly along with excursions around Texas and we're looking forward to hitting the road with the new one!

CanoeStream 11-07-2006 10:42 AM

Congrats Brow324 -- I'm sure y'all will enjoy it greatly! Not spoofing you there -- I grew up in San Antonio back before all the furriners moved in during the late 70s oil & tech boom. I'll see what I can do to get the Safari 27' FB added to the model list in the profile section.

CanoeStream 11-07-2006 10:48 AM

Brow324? Is the 27' FB a Special Edition model only? Airstream's website doesn't have anything about it. (of course! They update it so infrequently.)

[on edit: Answered my own question. Safari 27' FB SE is the only model I see at https://www.colonialairstream.com/newinventory.html]

SteSpot 11-07-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Brow324
We just bought a 27 FB ...taking delivery this weekend.

Congratulations!!! This is the trailer we are lusting after......when we saw this one we said "this is it". Unfortunately, we didn't think our TV was up to the task so settled on a "Vintage" 27' instead. Since this is our first trailer, we have promised ourselves that if we really love Airstreaming we will treat ourselves to the 27 FB someday.......I know you will find it perfect in everyway......pj

SteSpot 11-07-2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wheel interested
I found pictures of the 27' FB.
https://www.toscanorv.com/moredetails...code=toscanorv##

Center bed, longer dinette, round galley end with lobster sink, wooden pantry, change in the bathroom under sink cabinetry doors.

We saw the 27' FB at Toscano RV in Los Banos, CA......we fell in love with it there..and they had a good price......someday...pj

myoung 11-07-2006 10:58 AM

One item that seems new to the 27 FB, or perhaps it is just new for 2007, is the apparently solid pantry and pantry racks. Our 2006 FB has wire pantry racks and no backing so cans and especially small items can move around and sometimes thru the wire enclosure. Sure wish we could swap our pantry for the one that I see in the pics.

One "solution" we've found helpful is to line the wire rack with the rubbery shelf liner and attach the liner with small alligator paper clips. This prevents small items from falling thru and provides a sticky surface that holds things in place while going down the road.

moosetags 11-07-2006 01:13 PM

Congrats on your 27' FB. We bought a 25' FB earlier this year. If we were deciding now, it would be a tough choice.

Brow324 11-08-2006 11:47 AM

In answer to Canoe Stream's question: The one we purchased is a Safari LS Special Edition. BTW: we did not get the Airstream TV. We already have a little TV that works well but hardly ever use it anyway. My work is in the advertising business, which has me producing and watching TV commercials all the time, so we like to escape that element of the world when we get out on the road and away from the city. A few favorite CD's and a banjo to pick on seems to fill the gaps between listening to the wind, and watching the trees grow.

Brow324 11-14-2006 05:09 PM

Well... We "camped out" in the driveway last weekend to get acquanted with our new 27 FB before we make our first trip with it to NC...we'll cover almost 3000 miles so thought it might be a good idea to test all the systems beforehand. And so far...all systems are "go". BTW: The queen size bed is a nice change from the old bed we had, which was a double, and accessable from only one side (being against a wall). It's very comfortable too. Plus there is a noticable quietness in the A/S that our old fiberglass trailer didn't have.

DFord79 11-14-2006 10:17 PM

The 27' front bedroom only comes as SE package as far as I can find out. Its a spendy package..but I like it.

Minnie's Mate 11-15-2006 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DFord79
The 27' front bedroom only comes as SE package as far as I can find out. Its a spendy package..but I like it.

I have to wonder if the entire Safari line won't eventually be limited to the SE package because of its popularity.

wheel interested 11-15-2006 07:54 AM

I think Airstream will continue regular safaris because it gives consumers a lower entry point and a lighter unit. Those Classic/International windows and panoramic wraps are expensive and add weight.

Brow324 11-15-2006 10:39 AM

I think the total dry weight of our 27FB/LS/SE is 5600 Lbs. That's only 400 Lbs more than my old fiberglass trailer was. But the A/S pulls much better with less drag...given the aerodynamic design compared to a big square fiberglass box behind the truck. My wife even noticed from the passenger seat. We really liked, and preferred, the Internat'l windows and panoramic wrap windows so the extra weight wasn't a problem for us...our 8.1/Allison 2500HD can hardly tell it's back there.

Minnie's Mate 11-15-2006 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wheel interested
I think Airstream will continue regular safaris because it gives consumers a lower entry point and a lighter unit. Those Classic/International windows and panoramic wraps are expensive and add weight.

Expensive, yes. Heavy, not according to the Airstream weights listed on their web site.

This doesn't make a lot of sense unless the interior skins add a lot to the weight...that makes no sense. The interior aluminum panels should be heavier. The windows could be a wash. The panos would be heavier than a single front or rear window, though.

I understand your logic and agree. I just don't understand what I am reading on the Airstream web site. Maybe I'm not reading clearly.

myoung 11-15-2006 01:08 PM

It's nice to have pictures and commentary on the 2007 models here. We certainly can't get any info whatsoever on the Airstream web site.

I understand that the model year changes on July 1st, but www.airstream.com still has 2006 model year specs. I've sent several emails to customer service, but, disappointingly, I've had no response and, worse, Airstream hasn't updated their site. That's pretty astonishing in today's retail environment where millions of people gather information and compare offerings on the internet even if they decide to buy at a retail outlet.

I suppose old companies are just too slow to adapt. The iPod has been available for years, but you can't connect one to the wimpy stereo in the Safari, for example. And, what about a water pump that doesn't hammer. At least, an RV manufacturer ought to provide options for those who desire more up-to-date equipment.

Minnie's Mate 11-15-2006 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by myoung
The iPod has been available for years, but you can't connect one to the wimpy stereo in the Safari, for example.

Maybe they think their target market can't spell iPOD. Or maybe they just think they don't know what one is. But at least they have satellite radios available.

myoung 11-15-2006 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnie's Mate
Maybe they think their target market can't spell iPOD. Or maybe they just think they don't know what one is.

In the US alone, Apple has sold about 70 million iPods. My informal surveys of neighbors, friends, and Airstreamers at a recent rally indicate that older folk, not just kids, are tuned into the revolution. We have 3 and I expect that this holiday season will see 2 more cute, little, little Shuffles find their way into our stockings.

wheel interested 11-15-2006 01:52 PM

Our 2007 is IPod ready and has a 12 volt receptacle next to it (in cabinet) that will take a charging cord but that perhaps is part of the audio upgrade? I don't know what they have used for our water pump but even the dealer remarked how quiet it is. The one we used to have vibrated the entire Airstream with its pulsing.

I could not find the same spec twice in the differing info from pages to brochures to pdfs from Airstream. Even the owners manual has errors. Dealers did not know the answers. The website is aggravating it's so old and incomplete.

myoung 11-15-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wheel interested
Our 2007 is IPod ready and has a 12 volt receptacle next to it (in cabinet) that will take a charging cord but that perhaps is part of the audio upgrade?

Yes, there are 12 volt receptacles, but there is no way to simply plug the iPod into the stereo receiver so that the sound can be distributed thru the speakers. The Sony model in the Safari requires another control box that costs over $100 and even if you do that, the control of the iPod must be handled thru the truly awful interface of the Sony rather than the iPod itself.

Minnie's Mate 11-20-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by myoung
In the US alone, Apple has sold about 70 million iPods. My informal surveys of neighbors, friends, and Airstreamers at a recent rally indicate that older folk, not just kids, are tuned into the revolution. We have 3 and I expect that this holiday season will see 2 more cute, little, little Shuffles find their way into our stockings.

My wife taught third grade until the middle of the first month of school this year...now she teaches first grade and is only 42 years old. The other day she asked me what exactly an Ipod is. She knew it was a music storage device, but didn't know how it worked or what you did to get music in it. Maybe it's just "tweeners" that don't know!:lol: :angel:

Don't have one...don't know when I'll get one. Maybe next Christmas or the next. I don't listen to music enough to justify having one.

Minnie's Mate 11-20-2006 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by myoung
My informal surveys of neighbors, friends, and Airstreamers at a recent rally indicate that older folk, not just kids, are tuned into the revolution.

Some of those folks may know because they have bought them for their grand-kids or because they have seen their younger co-workers use them. I know because I like techie things and asked around. Like I said though, I'm not into music enough to justify getting one.

CanoeStream 11-20-2006 02:58 PM

Carol, is it actually a Sony stereo in your audio upgrade? Post the model # off the front of it if you will.

This iPod issue was being discussed just a couple weeks back. Best Buy was having a sale on an auto stereo that was iPod ready. So I pulled the stereo from our Safari, took it to Best Buy, and verified that it would swap in and out of the same frame mount. What a deal! ... until I found out that "iPod ready" meant it would have to have the same XA-110IP adaptor. Don't know if this link works, otherwise enter the adaptor model at www.bestbuy.com -- $49.99 at current prices. But Mike makes it sound not very good.

wheel interested 11-20-2006 03:44 PM

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The book says Sony multi disc player MEX-R5, radio says MEX-R5

I have a cord that splits into two or three plugs that I grabbed out of our gazillion cord box--not sure it's the right one for the job but it works. I will probably get a "proper" IPod cord when I get around to it. Two plugs into the left and rear speaker jacks mounted on the radio wall and the single plug goes into the IPod earplug jack, I set the radio source on auxillary. I can play the playlists but would need to use the IPod click-wheel to skip songs.

Hope that helps a little. I'm not techy.

CanoeStream 11-20-2006 06:30 PM

Electronic equipment (and cameras as you know so well!) is hard to research because it is superceded so rapidly. I am able to find this link about the Sony MEX-R5. This is probably similar to information you already have. Two details on one line grab my attention -- referring to it as a Unilink™ Control/MP3 Player. As Microsoft introduces the Zune player, all columnists say that this Apple vs. Microsoft battle now dooms straightforward mp3 players. I think Sony was trying to spread their Unilink system in what was a highly fractured mp3 market a few years back when this was designed. Buh-bye. Yes, the simpler 1-disk Sony in our Safari is similarly hobbled. In my research a few weeks back, Sony's Unilink system seemed to be the byword that requires the now dissed XA-110IP adaptor. At least it couldn't be worse than a cassette tape player (I was about to say 8-track but some people take that as badly as Ford vs. Chev battles).

Minnie's Mate 11-27-2006 12:52 PM

Question: I don't have the Audio/Video package in my Safari, but I do have the single disk Sony CD player. Someone mentioned on another thread that even the non A/V equipted Safaris were pre-wired so that you could hook a DVD's audio output to the aux inputs on the Sony stereo deck and the sound would come out of the four stereo speakers. I have never looked to see if there is a sub woofer under one of the dinette seats. Anyway, does anyone know if a DVD can be hooked up to the stereo? It would be great if it could because the A/C unit makes so much noise I have to turn up the volume when it comes on and turn it down when it goes off. This is a pain after the kids have gone to bed. So far I've only used the stereo to listened to CD's. I've never tried to figure any of the other things out yet. The darned thing is too complicated looking!

Brow324 11-29-2006 10:27 AM

The Sony stereo in our 07 Safari has an aux input on the lower left of the face plate that accepts a mini stereo input jack to plug any type of aux unit in, including Ipods. When we get home from our current trip, in progress, I am picking up another Ipod carry case/cover to velcro to the cabinet near the Sony unit so we can just slip the Ipod into the carry case when we plug into the Sony. All it will require is a stereo mini cable which costs about $3 dollars, which I will cut down to 5 or 6 inches to eliminate the extra length of cable which won't be needed. Since we charge the Ipod thru the laptop, the 110 V outlets throughout the AS provide the electrical source to keep things charged up.

wheel interested 11-29-2006 11:17 AM

We have the cigarette lighter plug of the car to keep the IPod charged up so we just bring it in and plug in since the IPod has a finite number of full discharges on it's battery. The Apple Care protection is worth the price though since it includes replacing the battery not intended to be replaced by the consumer and if it needs repair it will cover that, etc. Major investment. :) We also find ourselves without the ability to recharge with electricity on the road and oftentimes on legs of our longer trips.

I do use the long cord though I tie it up when I have the IPod in the cabinet (because our radio is in the cabinet and requires opening the cabinet to use the remote or get to radio controls.) The long cord lets me leave the IPod on the table to get to the controls. But I like your idea of shortening the cord and velcroing the Pod and case to the cabinet face. We may have to borrow your idea, Brow.

CanoeStream 11-29-2006 01:48 PM

I've got a small cigarette lighter 100W DC to AC inverter that I use in my truck. Think I got it at Camping World -- not this one but that's the idea. I see something similar here. I use it with the appropriate cell phone brick or camera recharger and arrive at my destination fully charged -- more necessary when boondocking.

My truck doesn't have an iPod plug-in so I have to use an FM transmitter (a PITA and there's hardly a free frequency near certain cities). But my transmitter does plug into the cigarette lighter and it powers the iPod while underway so that batteries do not discharge. It looks like Carol has a 12V receptacle near her stereo. It would be easy enough to add a 12V receptacle into the line powering the stereo -- but then what would work to power the iPod and prevent battery discharge during non-mobile use?

Brow324 01-02-2007 01:59 PM

Hi again folks. Well we've logged around 4,000 miles with our new 27FB since we purchased back in early November. I think we've spent 12 nights in the AS along the way. So far we love everything about it. The floorplan is perfect for us, lots of storage, pulls with ease, and now needs a bath.
Only these small issues to address:
1) The plastic covers on the interior switchable lights..not the recessed ceiling lights, the ones under the cabinets...a few of those white covers keep popping off and I can't figure out how to get them to stay on once they come off. It looks pretty simple but unless I'm missing something in my attempt to snap them back into place they just don't want to stay on there.
Any thoughts on this?

2) I ended up cutting a small, circular, orange gel, the kind used on stage lighting, and inserting it behind the lens of the outside patio light to dim it down. It's a bit too much on the bright side for me with the white bulb and puts out a LOT of patio light...might even put an amber bulb in it too. May also do the same to the step light...or use a different color gel just for variety.

And last of all:
3) Still trying to come up with a good method of attaching my patio awning lights to the awning since it doesn't have the track like our old trailer awning had to slide the light hangers into. Thinking of using those small clothespin-like chip bag clips unless I discover a better idea. I bought some new awning string lights from Airstream but they didn't come with any attachments or suggestions on how to attach...go figure.

Please input your ideas on #1 & #3 ...I'm open to suggestions. :)

Other than that...we're loving it and looking forward to more miles.

moosetags 01-02-2007 03:15 PM

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Hi again folks. Well we've logged around 4,000 miles with our new 27FB since we purchased back in early November. I think we've spent 12 nights in the AS along the way. So far we love everything about it. The floorplan is perfect for us, lots of storage, pulls with ease, and now needs a bath.
Only these small issues to address:
1) The plastic covers on the interior switchable lights..not the recessed ceiling lights, the ones under the cabinets...a few of those white covers keep popping off and I can't figure out how to get them to stay on once they come off. It looks pretty simple but unless I'm missing something in my attempt to snap them back into place they just don't want to stay on there.
Any thoughts on this?

2) I ended up cutting a small, circular, orange gel, the kind used on stage lighting, and inserting it behind the lens of the outside patio light to dim it down. It's a bit too much on the bright side for me with the white bulb and puts out a LOT of patio light...might even put an amber bulb in it too. May also do the same to the step light...or use a different color gel just for variety.

And last of all:
3) Still trying to come up with a good method of attaching my patio awning lights to the awning since it doesn't have the track like our old trailer awning had to slide the light hangers into. Thinking of using those small clothespin-like chip bag clips unless I discover a better idea. I bought some new awning string lights from Airstream but they didn't come with any attachments or suggestions on how to attach...go figure.

Please input your ideas on #1 & #3 ...I'm open to suggestions. :)

Other than that...we're loving it and looking forward to more miles.

Glad to hear that you are enjoying your 27 FB

1. We've had to replace bulbs in thosa lights already. They were alittle tricky to get off, but seemed to snap back and stay put.

2. The patio light has been difficult to deal with. We have had neighbors at campgrounds come over and ask us to turn it off because it is offensively bright. We also tried an amber bulb, but that wasn't much better. SuEllyn finally came up with a solution as shown in the photo. It is fashioned from an aluminum eve vent from Home Depot that cost $1.47. It works great and still gives some light.

3. These clips (see photo) are great for holding lights to the awning. They are all plastic and don't rust. They also work great in the bathroom for keeping things in place on the shelves while underway. They are at Wal_mart and not very expensive.

Brow324 01-02-2007 03:44 PM

Both of those are fantastic ideas! Gonna put them into action. You could package and sell that patio light cover - I'll be your first customer!
Re: the light covers...they snap back into place but then fall off with the slightest vibration. I've got white duct tape strips along the sides at the moment..which works of course..but looks a bit tacky. If the problem persists and I can't find a solution I may replace them with a different brand of light...there are a total of 6 I think....small expense for happiness.

TinShack 01-02-2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brow324
And last of all:
3) Still trying to come up with a good method of attaching my patio awning lights to the awning since it doesn't have the track like our old trailer awning had to slide the light hangers into. Thinking of using those small clothespin-like chip bag clips unless I discover a better idea. I bought some new awning string lights from Airstream but they didn't come with any attachments or suggestions on how to attach...go figure.

These lantern clips from Camping World work really well. They hold the lights very securely.
Lantern Snaps - Camping World

Silvertwinkie 01-02-2007 04:41 PM

I too like the 27' as well. My only two beefs are that the sink in the photo is a single sink. That is a PITA when you wash dishes...had that setup in the Bambi and with the newer Safari with dual sinks, what a difference.

The other issue I found is access to storage from outside. Looking at the photos the twins have the best outside access for storage, while the queen might too, the door seems to be behind the LP tanks which might be problematic...regardless though, the FBs are sharp RVs!

CanoeStream 01-02-2007 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
The other issue I found is access to storage from outside. Looking at the photos the twins have the best outside access for storage, while the queen might too, the door seems to be behind the LP tanks which might be problematic...regardless though, the FBs are sharp RVs!

The twins have mega storage -- three outside compartments compared to the queen's one roadside in front of the HW heater. The front compartment door lays flat on the top of the battery lid. Access is easy enough. I fit two folding chairs, the outside mat, broom, dustpan and all sorts of things that would be inconvenient or dirty to carry inside -- it's about 5' long and even has a light! It's a handy place to lock up my Reese WD bars when I'm camped. I would almost think about buying a twin and modding into a queen -- just for the extra outside storage -- 'cept I own the twin already.

I can't get to my 25' FB right away to look at the under-cabinet light cover ... any chance that it has retention nibs that have worn for any reason?

Moosetags, great idea on the patio light! It is quite the spotlight -- could readily stand to be more diffused.

BTW -- watching B-ball on ESPN tonight I saw a GMC Sierra ad and it was pulling a 27' FB Classic for one of several loads that flashed thru the ad!

Foiled Again 01-03-2007 12:27 AM

Plastic Light Covers
 
The ones in my bathroom fall off too. I think if you leave them on too long, the heat builds up and deforms the plastic that surrounds the covers. I noticed that the cover of the one in the shower had a very small hole drilled through it near the base of the bulb - possibly to prevent condensation from forming and filling the shade. I thought it would also let heat escape and that cover had never come loose. So I took out my trusty drill and put small holes in every other cover too (two over the dinette, two over the kitchen counter, 4 over the bath sink and one in the closet).

There are little nubs on the shade, one at the round end and on each side close to the bottom edge. If you put the shade back in without sliding the round edge in first, then squeezing the sides together you won't get all three nubs engaged and the shade will fall out. I did find that once white plastic base has been heat deformed it doesn't go completely back to it's original shape once it's cooled so my bathroom shades continue to come loose. I did remove the cover on one and turned off the light, then pressed my thumbs inward on the sides while the the white plastic base cooled.... that one seems to have tightened up nicely. I suppose I could use some mechanical means (duct tape) to tighten up the rest during the cooling process.

I was in a lighting store recently and saw lights that looked exactly like the ones in the A/S except the base was brushed stainless .... I might look at those a little more closely to see if the base was really metal or just plastic with a simulated metal coating.

Something good I noticed about these fixtures is that the lights over the medicine cabinet have a hand switch in the light as well as on the wall. If you're boondocking you can turn out one set of the lights to save electricity.

Paula

Foiled Again 01-03-2007 09:30 AM

If I were buying a 27 FB
 
I fulltime, so little irritations may matter more to me than to you. I'm sticking with my 25 FB (after moving up from a 22ft CCD)... pending winning the lottery. I do like it a lot. Anyone who is buying new may benefit from my experiences. Here's my ideal 27':
  • Midnight Sun interior - A coffee drinker's best color. Dirt friendly but still neutral. Throw out the bedspread, it weighs a ton.
  • NO wraparound window in the bedroom - you sleep there - darker is better. Three windows with venetian blinds provides max privacy. The CCD/Safari curtains aren't light proof. From the outside at night if the bedroom lights are on and the stoneguard is up, you can count the number of contrasting pillows on the bed... If you're changing cloths :brows: or :sick: or just TMI to share?
  • In the 27' I like the look of the bedside tables with the front wraparounds better than the look you get with the smaller window. They have two tiny upper cabinets for hanging clothes that could probably hold your PJ's and a robe - it's a little claustrophobic. If possible I'd get the wraparound tables even with the small window.
  • Two Fantastic Fans - the default single fan is in the dinette area. Think about boondocking without air conditioning. Sleeping with the windows open and the fan exhausting would be good! I swear I'm gonna velcro my Endless Breeze up in the vent next time I'm stuck overnight in a rest stop. Also the FF cover is smoked & the vent cover is white plastic.... too much glare for a daylight nap :doh:.
  • NO skylight - it's a potential source of leaks, hot in summer, cold in winter... and it's two feet from the vista views and the Fantastic Fan... what's the point? The inside of the Safari SE just glows even without it.
  • Would kill for the 27's "lobster bowl" sink. Had one in the 22. Yes, there's only one but it's big and deep. Standard RV sinks can't take a big skillet or broiler pan and they are so shallow that the counter gets soaked if you wash a coffee pot. Get a biggish collander or a small folding dish rack and put the soapy dishes in it. After everything is washed, drain the water, put the whole rack into the sink and spray rinse everything at one time. Saves water and mess. Also there is less plumbing underneath to cut into undersink storage space.
  • Porcelain pissoire - come on, plastic is cheap and it's gonna wear out so when mine starts to get icky, I'll be replacing it. Why start out with a plastic throne if you're having one built?
Queen vs Twin beds.... totally a personal preference thing and both have benefits. Being single I might choose the twins because I could use the area of the spare bed to do sewing, or even a jigsaw puzzle. On the other hand I'm a restless sleeper and when I awaken I've messed up my whole queen. It's definitely easier to access the whole underbed storage area with singles than with a queen. Cuddle with twins? Well check out the dinette, it's very comfortable (leave the lights OFF, or line the curtains, or be the X-rated movie of the week.)

Solid shelves on the 27' pantry - gotta love em. I looked at my much smaller pantry in the 25' and realized that the wire shelves waste space. The pantry door is over 6 inches wide, the shelves are less than 4 inches. I've never worked with aluminum, but I think I'll get a sheet of anodized and try to bend it into a "U" shape that will be almost as wide as the door. I'd have to trim around the rack frame and punch holes to use the adjustable brackets, but I think I can make add one or two fixed shelves and get a lot more storage bang for my buck.

My 25 FB SE has the small window in the bedroom and the midnight sun interior. The walkaround queen in the 27' has got to be easier to make then my transverse queen, and the mattress can be flipped to wear more evenly. The transverse queen in the 25' has got a curved top edge. It's 75" on the long side, and only 70" next to the front wall. The side near the bath will wear out long before the other side does. I'm short, so when I have to replace the mattress I may get a 60" x 70" rectangle, and add a storage box at the head of the bed that is like the one in the 22ft CCD. It'll be a nice hamper or book box.

If you're spending that kind of money - spend time thinking about every choice - you're gonna live with them for a long time.

Paula

I was always taught to respect my elders,
but it keeps getting harder to find them! :lol:

CanoeStream 01-03-2007 10:09 AM

Hasn't Carol said her 27' Classic has a porcelain throne?

Paula, I fully agree that the skylight is worse than useless. The integral shade provides very poor insulation. I recall seeing an '05 25' FB with skylight at a dealer at about 10:30 on a Minnesota summer morning. The shade was closed and walking under it was like being near a radiant heater. You've got two Vista Views in the rear living space on the FB series and windows galore. It is very bright inside like you say.

Many good comments in your posts -- karma!

Brow324 01-03-2007 10:35 AM

When I find a good fix for those plastic light covers I'll post it....so far there is no pattern to it...some stay on some don't. However, once removed, say to change a bulb, they don't stay on so it may have something to do with the deformity of the plastic...those little side tabs are fairly small. But I'll eventually come up with a solution.
On the lobster sink..we like it...had double sinks in our last TT so this is a nice change. Love the skylight and panoramic windows in the bedroom too.
We camp often on a private 500 acre ranch so it's nice to wake up and see the wide view. Next stop..Home Depot to get one of those eve vents to fabricate over the patio light...then Bed Bath and Beyond...where they have those small clothespin-like chip clips, our solution to hanging the string lights.

Krazyjohnny 03-30-2007 05:00 PM

Brow, Congrats on the new trailer. we love ours too. We bought two flatscreens with the DVD players in them from Sams and put them in ourselves (one in the bedroom and one next to the fridge. They work great. We also went ahead and had a porcelain toilet installed. It was a Thetford aria. It works very nicely. We drove ours off the lot and left for New Mexico for a week and never had a problem. Very easy to set up and take down. I am looking at installing a pair of the smoke colored MAXX Air vents over the vents for this time of year camping. Happy trails.

Krazyjohnny 03-30-2007 05:00 PM

Brow, Congrats on the new trailer. we love ours too. We bought two flatscreens with the DVD players in them from Sams and put them in ourselves (one in the bedroom and one next to the fridge. They work great. We also went ahead and had a porcelain toilet installed. It was a Thetford aria. It works very nicely. We drove ours off the lot and left for New Mexico for a week and never had a problem. Very easy to set up and take down. I am looking at installing a pair of the smoke colored MAXX Air vents over the vents for this time of year camping. Happy trails.

wheel interested 03-30-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CanoeStream
Hasn't Carol said her 27' Classic has a porcelain throne?

Well if I did I have been dethroned. :p Plain ol Thetford Aqua Magic lV I think. It's beige too and the sink is off white, tsk tsk and I can't find a cover to fit.

mwinter 04-23-2007 01:27 AM

Wow! This is really nice! I like it.

Myra

BillTex 04-23-2007 06:31 AM

We stopped by our local AS dealer last week (to get our free book!) and of course toured all the new models. We are not in the market now, but we all greed, this would be the one to get if we were. Really liked the floor plan, the FB with armoires each side is very nice. I would like to see this in a 25’ (the 25’ really is big enough for 3 of us plus dog..) and in many cases, is about the largest camper you can squeeze into some NP and SP sites...but boy is this one a beauty!

What’s an iPod?

Best of luck Brow, Bill

mwinter 04-23-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wheel interested
I found pictures of the 27' FB.
https://www.toscanorv.com/moredetails...code=toscanorv##

Center bed, longer dinette, round galley end with lobster sink, wooden pantry, change in the bathroom under sink cabinetry doors.

I like the color scheme as well. Very classy. Okay so how much do these babies cost? What would I be looking at in monthly payments? I'm trying to get a sense of how much my freedom is gonna cost me.

Thanks,

Myra

cosmotini 04-23-2007 02:06 PM

Myra,

If you like the floorplan of the 27' FB, look at these too. The Signature Series International CCD has different material and laminate colors. I like 'Cilantro'.

mwinter 04-23-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmotini
Myra,

If you like the floorplan of the 27' FB, look at these too. The Signature Series International CCD has different material and laminate colors. I like 'Cilantro'.

Hi Dennis (cosmotini)

I like the Cilantro too! How much is it? I think I could live in that okay!

Myra

DFord79 04-23-2007 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CanoeStream
Hasn't Carol said her 27' Classic has a porcelain throne?

Paula, I fully agree that the skylight is worse than useless. The integral shade provides very poor insulation. I recall seeing an '05 25' FB with skylight at a dealer at about 10:30 on a Minnesota summer morning. The shade was closed and walking under it was like being near a radiant heater. You've got two Vista Views in the rear living space on the FB series and windows galore. It is very bright inside like you say.

Many good comments in your posts -- karma!

I don't like the sky light either. Soooo what does AS do. From now on the skylight is STANDARD EQUIPMENT. Its useless...its worse than that next to the fantastic vent. I swear...sometimes I think the more ideas the mother ship hears the more determined they are to DO IT THIER WAY just cause they can.

DFord79 04-23-2007 05:13 PM

Wally said "We don't make changes...We just make improvements".

I love the 27 foot too. It seems like a lot more money for ONLY a bigger closet and more pantry storage for another at least 10 grand more. Whew....the profit margin at the factory is BIG.

Foiled Again 04-23-2007 05:55 PM

Went to the dealer Saturday
 
Came away without one, but my my. The Ocean Breeze - which I didn't like the looks of over the internet was really nice in person. The colors just don't come out right on the photography.

The Ocean Breeze is considered a CCD - so it does have a slightly heavier grade of laminates and a porcelain potty in addition to the other amenities.

I like the true walk around queen too. Okay think lottery tickets.:lol:

Paula

cosmotini 04-23-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mwinter
Hi Dennis (cosmotini)

I like the Cilantro too! How much is it? I think I could live in that okay!

Myra

If you go to some of the dealer sites, you can see the MSRP. You'll have to contact them to negotiate a final price. The discount will depend on the popularity of the trailer and the motivation of the dealer. If you're able, get quotes from different dealers.

There are other options available that are not described very well but the dealer has a list. Things like larger air-conditioners, awnings on the road-side and rear, different audio-video packages, microwaves, generator-prep, etc.

I liket this dealer site and this dealer site.

Mslim 10-04-2009 11:50 AM

I know this an old topic but since there's a lot of talk of the 25 vs 27 I thought I'd post here and see the response.

We are looking to part-time initially on the West Coast USA when I retire next year. National Park parking is a concern as I like the forested outdoors a lot.

The wife liked the walk around queen bed in the 27 but I was hesitant because I didn't know if the galley was practical with the dog bowl sink. It looks like some people like it. Don't the 25's have a more conventional double sinK? Is that an advantage?

The tow vehicle is also a concern. The GVW on the 25 is 7300. I guess I could tow it w/ my current '04 V8 4Runner but I wouldn't have the 10% fudge factor on the tow rating. I was thinking of selling the 4R after I retire and probably going with a 5.7 Tundra since I have been pleased with the engineering and build quality on the 4R.

I also don't get the $10K premium for the 27 over the 25.

I do know that there is such a thing as underbuying a vehicle or rv especially where living space or storage space is concerned. Since this would be a major purchase for a couple on a fixed income all your thoughts and input would be welcome.

Minnie's Mate 10-04-2009 07:58 PM

$10,000 is not an insignificant difference, but no one so far has wished they had gone smaller, especially when they are long-terming in a travel trailer. The Tundra should handle either trailer without problem. When you get into the mountains you just have to be patient.

Good luck with your decision.

ghatfield 10-05-2009 07:33 PM

Mslim: Just sent you a PM....

Patricia (and George)

wheel interested 10-05-2009 08:50 PM

Anyone interested in a 2007 27' Classic FB I just put ours up in the classified section.

2007 27' Classic Airstream FB - Airstream Trailer & Airstream Motorhome Classifieds

CanoeStream 10-05-2009 09:10 PM

Wow Carol! What do you have your eye on? :flowers:

ghatfield 10-08-2009 05:41 PM

one more time
 
Mslim: Just sent you a PM again - the first one went to the wrong address - sorry to confuse! :o

Patricia (and George)

wheel interested 10-08-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanoeStream (Post 755768)
Wow Carol! What do you have your eye on? :flowers:

I think I would like to have a back bedroom, couch and credenza, and a bit more room. We have spent a lot of time away from home this year, and I think a different floorplan would suit us better. Who knew the family would grow in our old age and we'd have a trailer full of critters!:rolleyes:

Krazyjohnny 10-22-2009 07:08 AM

I would suggest that you try out all facets of the trailer before you buy. The only downfall to our 27' FB has been the toilet room. Not really enough space to take care of business in there privately. I had to remove the Aria Classic toilet because of this and replace it with the SeaLand short bowl. I refuse to have a trailer that I spent this much on have a plastic throne. Another issue is the front storage compartment door. The actual exterior body panel has developed stress tears in it at each lower corner. The trailer is at the shop getting repairs right now.

wheel interested 10-27-2009 09:53 AM

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Who knew the family would grow in our old age and we'd have a trailer full of critters!:rolleyes:

For now we took the 27' off the market. Here is what I was talking about. We do tend to "overlap." :) However the 27' is a good size without being too long for maneuvering with a good amount of storage and center queen. Actually after looking back at the pictures perhaps I should just get the PanAmerican and make it a traveling zoo. :lol:Did I mention, I like the care of ultraleather with animal hair?!;)

gaylejoe 11-24-2009 08:54 PM

I toyed with the idea of the 27' FB but settled on the 25' instead. The 27' did have a lot more storage than the 25' but I really like the size of the 25'

gaylejoe 11-24-2009 08:59 PM

Carol, you need a seperate trailer just for your extended family.

wheel interested 11-29-2009 10:42 AM

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Hey Gayle, hey Joe! :flowers:

We just had Thanksgiving in the Airstream. Seating was limited. :lol:


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