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james.mileur 10-09-2017 01:56 PM

The SLC guys wouldn't do anything as its not an approved AS warranty work. No rumbles in SLC, but in Park City and Jordanelle, got the rumbles. I guess an orifice would work, but heard a second regulator for thinner air worked fine.

steverino 10-09-2017 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by james.mileur (Post 2019533)
The SLC guys wouldn't do anything as its not an approved AS warranty work. No rumbles in SLC, but in Park City and Jordanelle, got the rumbles. I guess an orifice would work, but heard a second regulator for thinner air worked fine.



I had a discussion with a gentleman at the ABQ Balloon Fiesta who has a 2017 Classic. He showed me the mod that he did- adding an adjustable regulator on the propane line at the tanks, which he adjusts to lower the gas pressure at altitudes above about 5000 ft. This brings the fuel/oxygen ratio back into the correct range, and yields reliable operation of the ALDE system. He mentioned that he still rears some rumbling/gurgling but it works ok.

james.mileur 10-10-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by steverino (Post 2019589)
I had a discussion with a gentleman at the ABQ Balloon Fiesta who has a 2017 Classic. He showed me the mod that he did- adding an adjustable regulator on the propane line at the tanks, which he adjusts to lower the gas pressure at altitudes above about 5000 ft. This brings the fuel/oxygen ratio back into the correct range, and yields reliable operation of the ALDE system. He mentioned that he still rears some rumbling/gurgling but it works ok.

Thanks, that's what I'm looking for.

ajwbarnard 10-14-2017 05:54 AM

Another question has emerged. We are still experimenting with our issues getting heat. So we left the trailer with the Alde on electric only set to a temperature of 62 and turned the propane off at tank. It must have been too warm to activate the heat because when we arrived last night, it was 68. But in the night as the temperature dropped well below 62 into the 50’s the Alde never kicked on. At 5AM, I upped the demand temperature on the panel to 85. The system came on. And now at almost 7 it is up to 64. Does that seem normal using electric only? I sent an email to Alde last week with a similar question, but have yet to hear anything from them. If I were to switch it to all propane, it would be toasty in 1/2 hr. Should there be such a discrepancy? AND why does the system only come on when there are wide discrepancies between requested and actual temperature? Does it have anything to do with the temperature adjustment setting on the Alde panel?

uncle_bob 10-14-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ajwbarnard (Post 2021261)
Another question has emerged. We are still experimenting with our issues getting heat. So we left the trailer with the Alde on electric only set to a temperature of 62 and turned the propane off at tank. It must have been too warm to activate the heat because when we arrived last night, it was 68. But in the night as the temperature dropped well below 62 into the 50’s the Alde never kicked on. At 5AM, I upped the demand temperature on the panel to 85. The system came on. And now at almost 7 it is up to 64. Does that seem normal using electric only? I sent an email to Alde last week with a similar question, but have yet to hear anything from them. If I were to switch it to all propane, it would be toasty in 1/2 hr. Should there be such a discrepancy? AND why does the system only come on when there are wide discrepancies between requested and actual temperature? Does it have anything to do with the temperature adjustment setting on the Alde panel?

Hi

I have a 2017 not a 2018 so things aren't quite the same. That said:

There is a sub menu on the Alde panel that lets you offset the temperature of the Alde system. You can poke at it so that the AC and Alde get along with each other. (In the 2017 they are separate systems). The temperature reading on the panel shows you what the Alde thinks the temperature is.

Sitting here with temps in the low 60's, we have no trouble holding 70's in the trailer with electric power. The little "I'm running" indicator comes on maybe every 30 minutes. It's not on for long. I'd guess that there is quite a bit of reserve.

Do I *know* that the temp outside is 62F? Nope, I'm relying on the weatherman. He often lies to me about rain later in the day. Why I'd trust him at all I don't know :). Sitting here in the woods, things could be warmer outside the trailer. I do have a thermometer on the fridge. It agrees pretty well with the Alde.

Bob

paiceman 10-15-2017 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ajwbarnard (Post 2021261)
Another question has emerged. We are still experimenting with our issues getting heat. So we left the trailer with the Alde on electric only set to a temperature of 62 and turned the propane off at tank. It must have been too warm to activate the heat because when we arrived last night, it was 68. But in the night as the temperature dropped well below 62 into the 50’s the Alde never kicked on. At 5AM, I upped the demand temperature on the panel to 85. The system came on. And now at almost 7 it is up to 64. Does that seem normal using electric only? I sent an email to Alde last week with a similar question, but have yet to hear anything from them. If I were to switch it to all propane, it would be toasty in 1/2 hr. Should there be such a discrepancy? AND why does the system only come on when there are wide discrepancies between requested and actual temperature? Does it have anything to do with the temperature adjustment setting on the Alde panel?


Alde US has never responded to an email from me, and phone calls not much help either.

Firedog1 10-28-2017 02:53 PM

jumping on this thread, brushing up on Alde

paiceman 10-28-2017 03:27 PM

Russ start with the combined Alde thread, it will keep you busy for a while and entertained. It's a great system.

Bud

mojoe7009 10-28-2017 03:29 PM

Jump over to the “Much Ado About Alde” thread. Paiceman has made a new discovery relative to electric vs. propane and how it functions with the Alde. Manual is very poorly written.

dlcoker 11-12-2017 12:39 PM

There was an issue mentioned at the beginning of this post that seems to have gotten lost in the shower/hot water temperature discussion. Or, I just overlooked it. We just picked up our new 2018 classic and have plenty of hot water straight from the dealer. Heat also works well when turned on, however, after it reaches the initial set point, the system shuts down and will not restart automatically. It still shows “on” at the firefly panel, but the Alde panel is off and does not restart when the trailer temperature drops below the set temperature. It will restart either by turning the power on at the Alde panel or by turning it off and back on at the firefly panel. Any known solution to this issue? Seems to be a software issue between the panels? I’ve emailed airstream and the dealer, but thought I would also post here since it seems those of us in the field have more experience/solutions for these issues.

uncle_bob 11-12-2017 04:56 PM

Hi

I would suggest giving JC a call on Monday and see what they say about the shutdown issue. It does sound like firmware. It *could* be something else ....

Bob

paiceman 11-13-2017 05:30 AM

There have been several firmware issues reported in these threads concerning the 2018 Firefly / Alde / AC functions and also reported there was a quick and easy fix at JC with a further note that JC was going to notify dealers of these available fixes. I'd call JC on this one.

Bud

ward143 11-13-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by paiceman (Post 2033961)
There have been several firmware issues reported in these threads concerning the 2018 Firefly / Alde / AC functions and also reported there was a quick and easy fix at JC with a further note that JC was going to notify dealers of these available fixes. I'd call JC on this one.

Bud



Ours turns on but sometimes doesn’t turn off! Lol. The other day it was set to sixty while we were gone but when we returned the next day it was 86!

james.mileur 11-14-2017 09:41 AM

Anybody got the Alde Flow to provide continuous hot water?

ajwbarnard 11-15-2017 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by james.mileur (Post 2034445)
Anybody got the Alde Flow to provide continuous hot water?



I would say that we did. I would like to have more time testing it and playing with the settings. (And having the new Firefly update), but I think the only time I ran out of the temperature water I wanted was the time I got out of the shower to find the shower boost had turned off. And I wasn't sure why that happened. It could have been the time ran out.

kendrick.l.j 11-15-2017 06:04 PM

I think what James is asking, and I would also be interested to hear is that is any of the 2018 Classic have hot water lasting longer than, oh say, 15 minuets of un-interrupted use. I know I have hot water for 12 minuets before I notice a cooling of. The 2018 were supposed to have larger tanks and a more powerful unit. I think I read that the new system was supposed to have unlimited hot water. Is that happening?

ajwbarnard 11-16-2017 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kendrick.l.j (Post 2034956)
I think what James is asking, and I would also be interested to hear is that is any of the 2018 Classic have hot water lasting longer than, oh say, 15 minuets of un-interrupted use. I know I have hot water for 12 minuets before I notice a cooling of. The 2018 were supposed to have larger tanks and a more powerful unit. I think I read that the new system was supposed to have unlimited hot water. Is that happening?



And that is the question I am answering. My experience has been limited because of we have had to winterize, but in the times that we have used our shower since getting the hot water working, we had plenty of hot water for back to back showers, which is probably a combined 20-25 minutes. I don't turn the water off while showering, and had plenty of hot water for my 10-15 minute shower, but my husband does. As I said before, the one time the water started to cool when I was taking a shower, I got out to find the shower boost which ups the temperature of the hot water for showering off, which explains to me the decrease in water temperature. What I was unsure of was why the shower boost deactivated.

paiceman 11-16-2017 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ajwbarnard (Post 2035073)
And that is the question I am answering. My experience has been limited because of we have had to winterize, but in the times that we have used our shower since getting the hot water working, we had plenty of hot water for back to back showers, which is probably a combined 20-25 minutes. I don't turn the water off while showering, and had plenty of hot water for my 10-15 minute shower, but my husband does. As I said before, the one time the water started to cool when I was taking a shower, I got out to find the shower boost which ups the temperature of the hot water for showering off, which explains to me the decrease in water temperature. What I was unsure of was why the shower boost deactivated.

In the 2017 models the shower boost when activated turns off the heating elements in the Alde boiler to concentrate all energy to the hot water aspect of the system. This activation lasts 20 minutes, then the system turns back to "normal" operation with both the heating element and the hot water systems on but no hot water shower boost operating. A simple push of the button and the supplemental shower boost can be turned back on and heating element off.

Bud

ajwbarnard 11-16-2017 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by paiceman (Post 2035076)
In the 2017 models the shower boost when activated turns off the heating elements in the Alde boiler to concentrate all energy to the hot water aspect of the system. This activation lasts 20 minutes, then the system turns back to "normal" operation with both the heating element and the hot water systems on but no hot water shower boost operating. A simple push of the button and the supplemental shower boost can be turned back on and heating element off.



Bud



I do know that. It just didn't seem as if I had taken a 20 minute shower, but the combined time from activating until cool down could have been 20 minutes. And that particular instance, I didn't know why the temperature decreased. Next time, I will be sure to be calling for my husband to push that shower boost again!

james.mileur 11-16-2017 08:25 AM

Hi Bud, my test run showed a 30 minute timer, like the Alde manual describes, and all the Boost function does is turn off the heat circulating pump for 30 mins, so all the heat from electric elements or gas stays in the boiler to heat shower water. Still cycles the heating water 165 - 155, preference to electric.

But that is for 2017, 3010 boiler, without Alde Flow, and Firefly interface. Since no manual for 2018 Alde 3020 or Alde Flow, who knows what is their settings.


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