Help me be fair
Hello. We have a 1986 Airstream. It is what I would call in good shape. we bought it 2 years ago and the "family" is growing out of it. We are wanting to put it up for sale but aren't sure what to ask for it. I want to set a fair price on it. I thought this would be the BEST place for some very honest answers. We have tried to compare and find something close to get us started but we are having a hard time finding one close to what we have............here is what we have please help us with any input you have. We are 3rd owners on it. It was bought by an elderly couple who parked it and never traveled with it. Then a few years later family of 4 bought it and had it until we got it 2 years ago. It was well taken care of and like I said is in good shape (maybe even great not sure what you would say is great........I think it is great for it's age) It has the front couch with storage under that and the two tables that are stored flat on the wall. When you walk in the stove/oven & sink are on the left and the fridge is on the right. We had to replace the fridge this past spring. Next to the sink is a small pull out "spice" cabnit (that is my faviort thing) You can store so much in it. Then next to that is a pretty good size closet. Across from that is the bathroom. Then in the back are two twin beds. Above the beds (at the foot of them) each bed has a small closet. The curtians are all orgianl but the ones in the back have some if the T-tabs missing due to time rotting. The carpet is orginal but in decent shape.....not the best but hey it is 20 years old. The only thing that doesn't work is the hot water heater.........(we always take showers at the showerhouse so getting it fixed wasn't at the top of our list) As I said we just replaced the fridge, stove/oven works great....just used it this weekend. Air also works great (hubby froze me out of the bed and under 2 blankets this weekend) Heat also works.
On the outside the silver is in need of polishing but don't have the time to spend on it like you all have mentioned it takes. There are a few minor scrapes on it no really bad dings other than the propane tank holder....it has some very minor dings in it. I really can't think of anything else. If you have any questions PLEASE email me and I would love to hear what you all might think a good but fair selling price would be. I will try and get some pictures up soon. Gotta borrow a digtal this week.
Just for anyones info who might live close to My Vernon IL we are coming (from KY) to Rend lake (near Mt Vernon) camping this coming weekend. If someone wanted to look at it......email me and we could talk. We are leaving on Thursday night (23rd till that sunday)
What is the size of your trailer, that will be important to the buyer and the price.
I belive it is 25 or 28 foot...........the price is what I am asking for input on. We have no idea what they go for....we have looked but can't find any in that year that are not gutted or in really bad shape.....or if we do they have the back bath and middle beds....we didn't think that would be comparing apples to apples. We thought some people on this site have seen them and what they are going for.
We have seen some but they are 30 foot or longer would that make a big change in the price??
ID Plate ?
Post a picture(s) and/or the ID (VIN) number.
Search Ebay Motors (Airstream) maybe you'll see one like it.
Hi and welcome to the forums.
The size, model and year made are the first pieces of info needed to determine price. Then factor in condition. If you can post the serial number (which is located on a metal plate on the outside of your trailer) we can help you more. Smaller trailers are usually in higher demand and so they may fetch higher prices. Some buyers are looking for a specific model or floor plan so you will need to know that info as well.
Here is the S.N. The first letter or number I am not sure of......it is either an I, 1 or l then the rest are stadaj28gj504297.
There is a page on Airstreams website that can help you decode you numbers - click here.
Ist adaj2 8gj50429 7
So.... I think you have a:
Airstream Travel trailer
Center bath - rear kitchen
Sovereign (trim package)
Semi-monocogue - narrow body (96 inches)
25 to 26 feet
made in jackson center
The trailer length is measured from tip of hitch to end of bumper.
And about values... anyone?????
An absoulutly spectacular totally original needs nothing trailer of the size and year you describe sells for between 12k and 15k
Without seeing yours it is difficult to appraise condition, but if it is completely usable needing a little tlc such as carpet and minor repairs I would guess 8k to 12k is the range for todays market on a trailer as you describe.
Bear in mind that any damage, rust or other problems will affect price significantly.
Since it seems to be time for WAGing, without pictures, and since the owner describes it as having rotted curtains, carpet that is "hey, twenty years old", a bad water heater, a refrigerator replaced with they-don't-say-what, some scrapes and dings, a damaged propane carrier, a deteriorated finish and (I suppose) all of the other wear and tear that goes along with that but we would have to inspect to see, "completely usable needs a liitle tlc" might be way on the optimistic side.
I am not taking issue with your values for coaches you base your opinion on, nor with your desire to help out, but from the squeals I hear from this pig in a poke, I'm thinking more like three to five thousand, tops, assuming the mid-worst about the running gear, tires, title and registration, cleanliness, general wear and so on. Just trying to be fair, that is.
I agree with you completely, I am being optimistic that the trailer is in the condition worthy of the price mentioned. If it is not they will soon find out that opinions of condition are subjective.
The last words "Bear in mind that any damage, rust or other problems will affect price significantly." were the most important in my post
I am curious what is WAGing?
Not so bad...
Richard.. WAG'ing is technical term for applying a wild-ass-guess to solve a problem.. Here in Silicon Valley, where unemployed engineers make your pizza's, we prefer SWAG's, which are scientific WAG's... :lol:
As for the trailer in question, it sounds to me like an '86 Sovereign 25... Wider than 7+ footers, but not "Wide body" as practiced by Airstream starting in 1995 when trailers went to 8'5". Not so sure about middle America, but on left or right coast, sale price would start at about $12K, and then subtract for fixit items...
New Water Heater Installed (Must Fix..) $700
New Carpet (Maybe item) $400 +/-
New Curtains (Ambrose) $850
If propane tanks need replacement or conversion, or dings lead to leaks, or running gear and tires need work, then keep subtracting... If upholstery is tired or blessed with pink flowers, that could add some more... Considering people buying hulks from '70's for $3K to $5K, I'd say this would be a better invvestment at $10K than an older one, assuming frame, floor, electrical and plumbing and body are all sound...
Final consideration is that there is a NATIONAL market for these, so invest in or borrow good digital camera, take good pictures, and list on VAC (Vintage Airstream Club) Website or RVTraderonline.com or other places where it will get national visibility.. Don't assume it might only be sold to local buyer!
Without pics and an inspection of the floor for possible leak damage from known/unknown leaks, running gear, and detailed list of "fix it's", it sounds like a $6500 trailer at the low end, maybe $8500-$9000 at the top end....based solely on the SWAG formula.
You make no mention of what you paid for the trailer when you bought it. That will be a starting point for what you can reasonably ask unless you 1) grossly overpaid and want to get out of it or 2) you underpaid and want to make a profit. Personally, when I want rid of something, I always price it around 500 bucks below market - you lose enough money on cars, trailers, and racehorses anyway that a 500 or 1000 dollar hit at the time of sale is a small price to pay for an easy sell and a happy buyer.
I have been a member of this site for sometime and valued the feedback alot of people have given and I want to say Thank you for those who answered my questions. You all have been helpful.
But I also want to add to those who chose to not read post clearly and then reply..........you really need to read all facts before you give halfass answers. And because I that I would like to address a few things..........in my discription the the camper I was trying to be very honest....
I never mention the curtians were rotting..........I said a FEW OF THE CURTIAN TABS had rotted. When we bought it a few years ago someone on this site offered to even send me some to fix the people but I don't sew and was afriad I would mess them up so we left them.
As for the carpet.......I said it is in DECENT shape but it is 20 years old....to me that means it has some wear and tear from 20 years of someone walking over it. Not sure what decent means to everyone I was trying to give the best mental pic I could.
As for the fridge, yes we did replace it and it WAS replaced with a dometic just like what was in there. That is my fault to not mention it. (I don't do things have assed when I do fix things. That would be why somethings aren't fixed)
As for as name calling on here.......well I thought adults new better but then again.......some of us just never learn what our parents taught us huh?
I will also say there is no rotting of the floor, as far as we can see without pulling up the carpet and we did the trick someone on here talked about using an icepick to pook around and test the softness of the floor. The dents and dings are very minor but I guess you didn't read that part. As far as the shine it isn't spit and polished the 500 man hours everyone hear talks about but the shine on it isn't bad, I have seen some that look worse.
So next time you want to "word" beat with someone..........please read the post carfully and get your facts right. I hope you didn't buy an Airstream after looking at it the way you read post. (halfass)
People like you make it hard for honest people like me to want to be a member of web sites like this.
Play nice ...
Now, Now, Now ... everybody play nice ... or go home!
This entire thread is turning out to become mental masturbation, without any valid facts to support statements or representations.
What one believes, without expert evaluation, is just an opinion and not necessarily a statement of true facts as conditions actually exsist.
If it is an '86 or '85 - 25' Sovereign it will be most likely be worth more to an educated buyer than a 28' because of the 25' max restrictions @ some campgrounds. Some people need twins, others want the double bed.
If the drapes are original they are going to have to be replaced. Installing a few 'T-tabs' is postponing the inevitable. 20 year old drapes are 20 year old drapes.
20+ year old reefers usually need to be replaced because total overhauls are near as costly and not as reliable as new replacement. I would consider this normal maintenance. You expect to buy equipment in working condition, or the price goes down. Same goes for the water heater.
When the carpet is finally removed and places like below the furnace, battery box etc. are inspected properly, more probably or not, there will be some rotten wood flooring. (we all know that one needs to know where to look and experience is the best teacher)
New tires? It takes 4 or 5 @ ~ $100.00 a 'pop'. Axle condition ???
Many of us on this Forum are officianados. We have educated ourselves (sometimes unintentionally and at great expense)and know where to look and what approximate cost in time or money it will take to make right. Some of us will crop and replace bad areas with new material, and others will scrape and bondo.
It is 'each-to-their-own'. When you own something, you can do what you want.
We all know that the selling price of anything is what a buyer is willing to pay at the time of sale. Marketing, of course is key.
Personally, having purchased, restored and traveled extensively a similar aged unit; and observed the selling prices of comparable models ... they can be bought from $ 3,000.00 to $5,000.00 in an unrestored/original condition.
When they are advertised properly they bring more. When they are purchased by an inexperienced individual, they bring more. And sometimes more than they are actually worth as an investment. Some people don't look at these items as an investment and only as a pleasant respite.
My suggestion, depending how you value your time, is to reasearch the market for similar models and what they are selling for. Maybe Ebay for selling prices ??? Other areas like RVTrader etc.
So, what is a fair price? ... unless you are in the Airstream selling business, price it to get out of it since you don't want it anymore. You know what you paid for it. If it doesn't sell, lower your price. Unless I misunderstand your original post, you want to sell.
The one fact I do know, is that today is the first day of Summer, and the 'selling season' is rapidly coming near an end for 2005.
Take a look at my 1985 - 25' Sovereign by clicking on 'driftwood' to the left and then click on 'visit driftwood's photo gallery' in the drop down box. That unit needs nothing and has new drapes and flooring. The interior is near perfect. Now there is a unit that is worth 15K+, although I wouldn't sell it for that.
richardt, in his second post, is right on the money $$$ and has the experience to back it up!
Good luck with your venture!
And, to put a point on it, there is only ONE factor in selling your Airstream, or anything else for that matter - what are you willing to take for it? That's it. Come up with what it is worth to you and what you want to get for it, and put it out to the public. They will tell you if the market will bear it or not. Then you'll know if someone is going to pay that.
:huh: As I recall, a trailer similar to this sold on this site last Fall for $8500. It looked to be in good shape (from the pictures posted), was described as mechanically sound, "used regularly" and maintained properly. This TT was in south Florida (Tampa area?). The reason I remember it is because it was on the market about the time as we bought ours and I really wanted to make an offer. But, alas, at that price it was sold before I could do anything about it (read that it sold in a matter of days).
Before anybody yells at me, remember Iím doing this from memory with the proper disclaimers inserted in the grammatically correct positions in the sentences above
This ended up being a nice trailer and is currently on Ebay Item # 4568653037 at https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEBI%3AIT
It will be fun to see what it goes for!
Could be a good sale ...
I saw that and have been following it since it went on Ebay. Looks like it could be a good sale for the owners. Appears to be a nice clean trailer.
On 04-12-2004, 11:42 AM this was posted:
By-the-way, when I posted my comments on 06-21-2005, 08:36 AM (in this thread) I got a bonus, my first Negative Karma :in_love: (with no comment provided) guess they didn't like what I said ???
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